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Title: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 16, 2019, 08:58:35 PM
OK, so the boy saved his money up and bought a HTC VIVE. virtual reality set up. The one thing he didn't do was check to see it would be compatible with his computer (Alienware Alpha). It's not.  :P The Alpha has a built in GPU that cannot be upgraded and from what I read the refresh rate will not work with the VIVE.

It looks like he needs to get a gaming PC and he will definitely be in the used market. Any idea what a cheap used setup would cost? Below is a list of recommended GPU cards for the VIVE so would be looking for a setup with one of these.

From this list what would the "bargain" GPU be?

NVIDIA™ GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | 2080 Super | 2080 | 2070 Super | 2070 | 2060 Super | 2060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 1080Ti | 1080 | 1070 | 1070Ti | 1060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 980Ti | 980 | 970 | 780Ti
NVIDIA™ Quadro RTX 8000 | 6000 | 5000 | 4000
NVIDIA™ Quadro P6000 | P5000 | P4000
NVIDIA™ Quadro M6000 | M5000
NVIDIA™ Quadro Mobile RTX 6000 | RTX 5000 | RTX 4000 | RTX 3000
NVIDIA™ Quadro Mobile P5200 | P5000 | P4200 | P3200 | P3000
NVIDIA™ Quadro M5000 | M5500 | M5000 | K6000
NVIDIA™ Quadro Mobile M5500
NVIDIA™ Quadro GP100 | GV100
AMD Radeon™ VII
AMD Radeon™ RX 5700 XT | 5700
AMD Radeon™ RX Vega 64 | Vega 56
AMD Radeon™ RX 590 | 580 | 570 | 480
AMD Radeon™ R9 Fury | Fury X
AMD Radeon™ R9 Nano
AMD Radeon™ R9 390 | 390X
AMD Radeon™ R9 290 | 290X | 295X2
AMD Radeon™ Pro WX 9100 | 8200 | 7100
AMD Radeon™ Vega Frontier Edition
AMD Radeon™ Pro Duo | SSG
AMD Radeon™ FirePro W9100
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 16, 2019, 09:33:35 PM
NVIDIA™ GeForce RTX 2080 Ti    :o ;D 8)
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 16, 2019, 09:35:58 PM
NVIDIA™ GeForce RTX 2080 Ti    :o ;D 8)

You trying to make him (or me) cry?   :)
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Niloc on October 16, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
I don't think that there are really any bargains per se, it's really more of a situation where each one slots into it's level of performance vs. $$$.

With VR you want as much horsepower as possible, you're rendering 2 relatively high-resolution images at the same time, and you want that to still run at around 90hz compared to a standard 60hz monitor.

I'd narrow it down to these;

NVIDIA™ GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | 2080 Super | 2080 | 2070 Super | 2070 | 2060 Super | 2060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 1080Ti | 1080 | 1070 | 1070Ti | 1060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 980Ti | 980

AMD Radeon™ RX 5700 XT | 5700
AMD Radeon™ RX Vega 64 | Vega 56
AMD Radeon™ RX 590 | 580 | 570

Look for models with 8GB of VRAM.

You can pretty safely cross off the very-high end too - the 2080 Ti is an $1100 card new, the 2080/2080-Super are both pretty damn pricey too. You're not likely to find any of those used for a sane price.

So then just look for the best price on a used one among the remaining models.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 17, 2019, 11:27:23 AM
I just bought a GTX 970 for under $100 shipped.

The 1070 is definitely better but will cost closer to $200 used.

Anything better will probably go up from there.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 17, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
I just bought a GTX 970 for under $100 shipped.

The 1070 is definitely better but will cost closer to $200 used.

Anything better will probably go up from there.

I was figuring between $100 to $200 for a used GPU so that's good to hear.

As far as the rest of the system they recommend: Intel® Core™ i5-4590 or AMD FX™ 8350, equivalent or better and minimum of 8GB of RAM.

This will be a dedicated computer for the VIVE so it does not need much else. Any idea where to pick up a bargain used computer that meets these specs? I see the i5-4590 processor was launched in 2014 so I imagine I can get a system nearing 5 years old.  I'm finding it easy to locate the GPU's, not as easy to determine what I need for the rest of the box. Obviously adding RAM is cheap so not worried about that.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 17, 2019, 03:22:56 PM
I don't think that there are really any bargains per se, it's really more of a situation where each one slots into it's level of performance vs. $$$.

With VR you want as much horsepower as possible, you're rendering 2 relatively high-resolution images at the same time, and you want that to still run at around 90hz compared to a standard 60hz monitor.

I'd narrow it down to these;

NVIDIA™ GeForce RTX 2080 Ti | 2080 Super | 2080 | 2070 Super | 2070 | 2060 Super | 2060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 1080Ti | 1080 | 1070 | 1070Ti | 1060
NVIDIA™ GeForce GTX 980Ti | 980

AMD Radeon™ RX 5700 XT | 5700
AMD Radeon™ RX Vega 64 | Vega 56
AMD Radeon™ RX 590 | 580 | 570

Look for models with 8GB of VRAM.

You can pretty safely cross off the very-high end too - the 2080 Ti is an $1100 card new, the 2080/2080-Super are both pretty damn pricey too. You're not likely to find any of those used for a sane price.

So then just look for the best price on a used one among the remaining models.

EBay has a buy it now of the MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB GDDR5 Graphics Card for $156 shipped so it looks like he can get a reasonable card (it's 6GB not 8, but I found it by looking on EBay for 10 seconds, so the deals are out there). He is not into the grafix intensive games so he should be good for a while.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 17, 2019, 10:47:54 PM
I was figuring between $100 to $200 for a used GPU so that's good to hear.

As far as the rest of the system they recommend: Intel® Core™ i5-4590 or AMD FX™ 8350, equivalent or better and minimum of 8GB of RAM.

This will be a dedicated computer for the VIVE so it does not need much else. Any idea where to pick up a bargain used computer that meets these specs? I see the i5-4590 processor was launched in 2014 so I imagine I can get a system nearing 5 years old.  I'm finding it easy to locate the GPU's, not as easy to determine what I need for the rest of the box. Obviously adding RAM is cheap so not worried about that.

Used computers are tricky. The 'custom built' systems are often overpriced and you don't know who built them or how well they work. Mainline computers (ie Dell, HPs) are often terrible for gaming due to expandability issues and crap PSUs so that's tough unless you get one of their gaming editions.. but given those cost crazy money new they tend to be too expensive on the secondary market as the owners want to recoup too much of their investment.

The big question is whats your budget? If its $500 or so I'd just build something using used parts where necessary (ie the GPU). If you keep an eye out you can usually score a Ryzen 5 CPU with a Motherboard for $200. The rest of the compnents would be pretty cheap to get.

Also every Wednesday EVGA has 'mid-week madness' where they sell a bunch of refurbished stuff for cheap. I've bought PSUs from there and they are in good shape and come with a warranty. They usually have a wide array of video cards as well. It's only active on Wednesday though:

https://www.evga.com/midweekmadness/

As far as the video card, look at the 1070s before you pay $156 for a 980, going by ebay solds they can go as low at $160s-170s and they would be a reasonable step up from the 980. I just went for the 970 because I'm cheap and it runs the stupid card and strategy games I play just fine.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: SpineyNorman on October 19, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
My EVGA 1070ti overclocked to 1080 speeds runs everything I can throw at it at 80+ FPS on a 1440p 144hz main monitor with 2 1080p side monitors on and running discord, chat and about 20 open browser tabs  ;)
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 21, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?sdtid=13469701&ItemList=Combo.3941940&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Slickdeals+LLC&AFFID=208164&AFFNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&ACRID=1&ASUBID=ce59f674f43711e983088e1f5ac956b70SEM&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fslickdeals.net%2Ff%2F13469701-amd-ryzen-3-3200g-yd3200c5fhbox-desktop-cpu-asrock-am4-b450m-ac-motherboard-134-98-free-shipping%3Fsrc%3Dfrontpage&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=208164&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-aXtBtFETBESLEMEWVkZLOA

Ryzen 3 3200g + Mainboard for $135, hard to beat that
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 22, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?sdtid=13469701&ItemList=Combo.3941940&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Slickdeals+LLC&AFFID=208164&AFFNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&ACRID=1&ASUBID=ce59f674f43711e983088e1f5ac956b70SEM&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fslickdeals.net%2Ff%2F13469701-amd-ryzen-3-3200g-yd3200c5fhbox-desktop-cpu-asrock-am4-b450m-ac-motherboard-134-98-free-shipping%3Fsrc%3Dfrontpage&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=208164&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-aXtBtFETBESLEMEWVkZLOA

Ryzen 3 3200g + Mainboard for $135, hard to beat that

So using this as a reasonable starting point I can price things to see what building a computer cost if I want to do one from scratch.

I'm assuming the BOM would just be this?

CPU/Mother board - $135
GPU (used) ~$150
RAM 8 GB minimum - $?
Hard drive - $?
Case - $?
Power supply - $?
Operating system - $?

Am I missing anything? Case fans? Hardware? Cables? Heat sink paste? I don't know what is generally included when you buy a case, CPU, etc. Just never built a computer before  :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: k7 on October 22, 2019, 09:43:47 AM
CPU/Mother board - $135
GPU (used) ~$150
RAM 8 GB minimum -  PC4-19200 288-pin DDR4 - $20 for 8GB, cheaper as you go up, i'd drop at least 32GB into that setup
Hard drive -  varies, free to $300 for high capacity SSD.
Case -  guesstimate, $75.00
Power supply -  free to $75.00
Operating system -  free.

Sata/Misc cables - free? just ask here. :)
AS5 - $5.00 a tube. for your paste.
Fans - free to $80, depends on how quiet, how many. motherboard/CPU should come with processor fan. case may come with fans.
DVD burner - free. if you want an optical drive.


not in stone, but i think rough values of parts you asked about.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 22, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?sdtid=13469701&ItemList=Combo.3941940&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Slickdeals+LLC&AFFID=208164&AFFNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&ACRID=1&ASUBID=ce59f674f43711e983088e1f5ac956b70SEM&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fslickdeals.net%2Ff%2F13469701-amd-ryzen-3-3200g-yd3200c5fhbox-desktop-cpu-asrock-am4-b450m-ac-motherboard-134-98-free-shipping%3Fsrc%3Dfrontpage&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=208164&ranSiteID=lw9MynSeamY-aXtBtFETBESLEMEWVkZLOA

Ryzen 3 3200g + Mainboard for $135, hard to beat that

That's processor is horrible...  your getting the cpu for free in that combo, becuase thats' what its worth.. spec wise, its slower then a turd.

I would go with this bundle... its 3x the CPU , and only 2x the cost.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3930018&Description=amd%20ryzen%205%203600

you will get a lot longer life out of it.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-3200G/4040vsm824486

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: k7 on October 22, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
I would go with this bundle... its 3x the CPU , and only 2x the cost.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3930018&Description=amd%20ryzen%205%203600


it's actually 3 times as good at 3 times the cost, too. six's deal is $124.95 right now vs $385.99...hey, i understand the budget build. :)

i'm typing this on a mega-fast i3 HP touchscreen with...well, i see a picture, so the graphics card is perfection. :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 22, 2019, 10:07:55 AM
Jack's MB will support newer processors, i just have had bad luck with ASRock boards, i have had better luck using Asus boards.

But you could do the ASROCK , i would still stick with a Ryzen 5 or better, a Ryzen 3 is like a Core 2 Quad from 2005...

My I7-4790K is technically faster then the Ryzen 3 posted, and i also have a GTX 1080... Games on an M2 Sata.. and 32gb of ram, and it STRUGGLES to play many of the newer games badly ( like Player Unknown Battlegrounds and ROE )



Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 01:11:11 PM
Quote from: hamster
That's processor is horrible...  your getting the cpu for free in that combo, becuase thats' what its worth.. spec wise, its slower then a turd.

it's actually 3 times as good at 3 times the cost, too. six's deal is $124.95 right now vs $385.99...hey, i understand the budget build. :)

Don't listen to Hamster. He likes to recommend S550s to people asking for a cheap sedan. Is the S550 a nicer car than the Camry? Of course it is, but it also costs a hell of a lot more.

The Ryzen 3 3200g isn't exactly a top of the line CPU but it's far from garbage. It's faster than the I5 that they recommend for the Vive:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-3200G/2604vsm824486

Plus it's highly unlikely that the 3200 is going to bottleneck your 4-5 year old GPU.

There are of course other options but buying PC hardware is a slippery slope as there is always something slightly better for more money.. so it's very easy to get way over your budget very quickly. If the goal here is to build something that can run the vive for the cheapest amount possible then that 3200g is a solid deal.

If you want to go higher Ryzens of all makes go on sale pretty regularly. For example Newegg has a Ryzen 5 2600 for $119 right now:

https://slickdeals.net/f/13471840-amd-ryzen-5-2600-6-core-3-4-ghz-3-9-ghz-max-boost-socket-am4-65w-yd2600bbafbox-desktop-processor-119-99?v=1&src=SiteSearch

You'd need to add a cheap mother board which will put you closer to $200 for both.. so it all just depends on your budget versus performance. The 3200 would get you going but a 2600 would obviously have a longer lifespan.. but by the time the 3200's speed becomes a problem CPUs will be a lot cheaper as that will probably be a few years down the road.. so once again slippery slope. If the budget allows the Ryzen 5 is probably worth it but you are almost doubling your CPU costs so something you'll need to decide.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 01:16:08 PM
So using this as a reasonable starting point I can price things to see what building a computer cost if I want to do one from scratch.

I'm assuming the BOM would just be this?

CPU/Mother board - $135
GPU (used) ~$150
RAM 8 GB minimum - $?
Hard drive - $?
Case - $?
Power supply - $?
Operating system - $?

Am I missing anything? Case fans? Hardware? Cables? Heat sink paste? I don't know what is generally included when you buy a case, CPU, etc. Just never built a computer before  :P

Hard Drive - You want at least an SSD, roughly speaking that's $30 for a 250gb and $50 for a 500gb. $20 extra will get you a nvme which would be faster still but the SSD is fine.

Ram - 8gb is around $30, 16gb is around $60. I don't think i'd do 32gb in this as it's probably overkill and you can always upgrade later. I would consider the 16gb though.

Case - These start at $25 on amazon. As long as there is some attempt at airflow you are probably OK as you aren't exactly overclocking or anything nuts. In my entire life i've never spent more than $60 on a case.

Power Supply - $50, try to get something that has some sort of 80+ rating. That doesn't mean it's great but usually means it's not complete garbage either. Once again hit up that EVGA sale tomorrow as they always have power supplies.

Operation System - $0 <wink wink>
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 01:19:06 PM
My I7-4790K is technically faster then the Ryzen 3 posted, and i also have a GTX 1080... Games on an M2 Sata.. and 32gb of ram, and it STRUGGLES to play many of the newer games badly ( like Player Unknown Battlegrounds and ROE )

If your PC can't play Pubg with a 1080 there's something horribly wrong.

Here's somebody playing Pubg on the 3200 using the intergrated graphics.. ie no extra video card


It's nothing spectacular but it's staying well above 30fps. Once again that's without a dedicated graphics card.

Definitely not "core 2 quad" levels and apparently better than what you are seeing on your setup :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 22, 2019, 03:05:20 PM
30fps? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

that isn't going to cut it for real gaming... esp with a VR... in order for VR to work well, you need 2 monitors @ 60fps MIN....  otherwise your going to get a headache real fast...
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
30fps? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

that isn't going to cut it for real gaming... esp with a VR... in order for VR to work well, you need 2 monitors @ 60fps MIN....  otherwise your going to get a headache real fast...

Yeah imagine what it could do with a video card.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 22, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
Also, all the setting were "low" in that video, and the CPU is hitting 70-99% ..
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
Also, all the setting were "low" in that video, and the CPU is hitting 70-99% ..

The CPU wouldn't bottleneck any $150 video card he's going to buy.

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 22, 2019, 04:21:34 PM
im just saying.. spend the extra $100 and buy a Ryzen 5... a Passmark 8K cpu is going to suck for VR..

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Niloc on October 22, 2019, 04:28:27 PM
Operation System - $0 <wink wink>

You can download the Windows 10 install image for a USB key for free, totally legit, from Microsoft.

It'll install and run forever without a key number, un-activated, which only disables a few minor features.

Easy to activate though; just go through any old Windows 7, 8 or 10 keys you've got - including the stickers on the bottom of old laptops, etc. and type those in; one of them will likely work and you're done.

You can also buy the grey-market keys on eBay for $5 to $10. Those generally work, sometimes require phone activation though.

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: k7 on October 22, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
Microsoft should pay ME for running that garbage Windows 10 on anything around here. :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 05:59:31 PM
im just saying.. spend the extra $100 and buy a Ryzen 5... a Passmark 8K cpu is going to suck for VR..

Well I mean you can always get something better if you are willing to spend more money.

I don't know why you are so down on the CPU, it's fine. 8k is a decent Passmark score. VR is heavily reliant on GPU anyway.

The 3200 comes VR certified from AMD and if you google Ryzen 3 and Vive you'll find plenty of people using 1st and 2nd generation Ryzen 3s with no problem with the Vive so this 3rd gen one should be just fine.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 22, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
Microsoft should pay ME for running that garbage Windows 10 on anything around here. :P

You are running Windows ME what?
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: k7 on October 22, 2019, 06:05:12 PM
You are running Windows ME what?

10 is a step below Windows ME. :)
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: SpineyNorman on October 22, 2019, 09:56:48 PM
Having played ROE with Hamster I can attest it's not his PC that can't play  8)

I built my son a ryzen5 2600 rig and with an old R9 390 he gets 60+ fps in ROE on high settings
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 23, 2019, 11:38:46 AM
i love windows 10... and i love NVME drives....
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 23, 2019, 03:28:46 PM
just saw this:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2994110993992247/
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 23, 2019, 04:45:35 PM
just saw this:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2994110993992247/

That's a good deal but not a great deal, they go for $120-$130 on ebay

(https://content.screencast.com/users/JackTek/folders/Jing/media/e1c07d06-280d-4e78-b0bc-6eb3158006b0/2019-10-23_1642.png)

ebay has it's problems but there's less chances of getting stabbed in the parking lot or if the card is bad you can return it.

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 24, 2019, 09:01:51 AM
This thread has been very informative (and entertaining  ;) ) thanks to all that have participated.

Where I am right now: I have found a free computer that has a i5-2320 processor so it has a Socket 1155 mother board. The benchmark for that processor (I'm assuming that is what I want to look at?) is 5773. The suggested minimum processor scores 7340. Looking at the list of processors that fit the Socket 1155 the fastest I found was a i7-3770K at 9515 (and $131 on ebay) the next fastest was a i7-3770 at 9278 ($72 on ebay).

So if I buy the 1060 GPU and the i7-3770 her is what I would have:

i7-3770 - $72
1060 GPU - $115
8 GB RAM - $0
500 MB HD -$0

It's looking like I could get him up and running for under $200. So I have 3 more questions:

Does this look reasonable? He is not really into the hardcore games at this point.

I'm assuming it is important to get the 1060 6G vs the 3G?

I saw that there are Xeon processors for the Sockett 1155, should I even look at them (to see if I can get a better price/performance) or will the i-7 generally be a better choice?
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 24, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
I have i7-3820 ( LGA2011 ) cpu if you want it.. i just pulled it out of a laptop.. ( cleveo 570wm ) uses full desktop cpu.


My system benchmarks:

Home PC: i7-4790K, GTX1080:
 CPU: 10610, 2d Graphics: 815, 3d Graphics: 13589, combined Passmark: 4781

Work PC: i7-8700, GT 730 ( lenovo ThinkCentre M720 Tower)   -- no longer available in my configuration [ looks like i7-8700, AMD Radeon 520 is $799 ]
 CPU: 15708, 2d Graphics: 772, 3d Graphics: 1024.4, combined Passmark: 4204

Laptop #1 ( i7-3960X , GT  670? ( i don't recall ) ) ~ this is a crazy 2013 "Workstation" replacement, uses full desktop cpu, weights 15 lbs... Model Clevo 570WM
 CPU: 11566.5 , 2d Graphics: 474.6, 3d Graphics: 2428.5, combined Passmark: 3665

Laptop #2 ( i7-9750H, GTX 1660 ti )  -- Dell G3 ( 1299 new )
 CPI: 14436, 2d Graphics: 820.5, 3d Graphics: 9834, Combined Passmark: 6037

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 24, 2019, 10:51:46 AM
This thread has been very informative (and entertaining  ;) ) thanks to all that have participated.

Where I am right now: I have found a free computer that has a i5-2320 processor so it has a Socket 1155 mother board. The benchmark for that processor (I'm assuming that is what I want to look at?) is 5773. The suggested minimum processor scores 7340. Looking at the list of processors that fit the Socket 1155 the fastest I found was a i7-3770K at 9515 (and $131 on ebay) the next fastest was a i7-3770 at 9278 ($72 on ebay).

So if I buy the 1060 GPU and the i7-3770 her is what I would have:

i7-3770 - $72
1060 GPU - $115
8 GB RAM - $0
500 MB HD -$0

It's looking like I could get him up and running for under $200. So I have 3 more questions:

Does this look reasonable? He is not really into the hardcore games at this point.

I'm assuming it is important to get the 1060 6G vs the 3G?

I saw that there are Xeon processors for the Sockett 1155, should I even look at them (to see if I can get a better price/performance) or will the i-7 generally be a better choice?

^ i would stick with this, if you can get the MB/Case for free, then go that route, if you want to splurg for a LGA2011 MB, i have a 3820 you can have ( i just bought a 3960X  from server4less for $134 - Free Shipping )
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 24, 2019, 10:53:36 AM
the "K" module processors can be overclocked.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 24, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
^ i would stick with this, if you can get the MB/Case for free, then go that route, if you want to splurg for a LGA2011 MB, i have a 3820 you can have ( i just bought a 3960X  from server4less for $134 - Free Shipping )

Yea, I wasn't clear  :P I have the whole computer. Just need to update the CPU and GPU to get it to work with the VIVE. Computer needs to be tested, might have a bad harddrive but that's cheap enough.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 24, 2019, 11:30:33 AM
Yea, I wasn't clear  :P I have the whole computer. Just need to update the CPU and GPU to get it to work with the VIVE. Computer needs to be tested, might have a bad harddrive but that's cheap enough.

Make sure the case is big enough for the video card and that the power supply has the right pci-e connectors and enough watts
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 24, 2019, 11:57:14 AM
Make sure the case is big enough for the video card and that the power supply has the right pci-e connectors and enough watts

Case is pretty big so probably OK, motherboard is a ASUS P8H61-M LX2 that has a PCIE 2.0 X 16 slot. Not sure about the power supply, If I need a new one I'll check the "mid week madness" early in the day, yesterday I noticed the power supplys sold out quickly.

Edit: just checked, looks like I will need a power supply as this one does not have the 6 pin connector. Have a couple at the house so I might get lucky.

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
GTX 1060 Lists a PCIE 3.0 Slot Required.

Motherboard
PCI Express® or PCI Express 3.0-compliant motherboard with one dual-width x16
graphics slot.

Page 4 on: https://www.nvidia.com/content/geforce-gtx/GTX_1060_User_Guide.pdf

Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 24, 2019, 05:30:36 PM
GTX 1060 Lists a PCIE 3.0 Slot Required.

Motherboard
PCI Express® or PCI Express 3.0-compliant motherboard with one dual-width x16
graphics slot.

Page 4 on: https://www.nvidia.com/content/geforce-gtx/GTX_1060_User_Guide.pdf

Does the "or" not mean that both will work ??? I guess if not it's off to find another GPU  :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 24, 2019, 06:38:29 PM
Does the "or" not mean that both will work ??? I guess if not it's off to find another GPU  :P

While the free computer sounds like a great idea if you have to replace/upgrade too many components it might not be worth it.

You also don't want to use a 5+ year old mechanical drive, a SSD is definitely worth it as the hard drive can be a huge bottleneck.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 24, 2019, 08:03:14 PM
While the free computer sounds like a great idea if you have to replace/upgrade too many components it might not be worth it.

You also don't want to use a 5+ year old mechanical drive, a SSD is definitely worth it as the hard drive can be a huge bottleneck.

Going to make sure the free computer works before I spend any money. At this point it looks like:

Used 1060 GPU ~ $120 - would work in new build if needed
Used 80+ power supply ~ $25 - would work in new build if needed
Used CPU ~ $70 - would not work in new build if needed
500GB SSD ~ $50 - would work in new build if needed

So it looks like my "at risk" money would be $70.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 24, 2019, 08:07:11 PM
Going to make sure the free computer works before I spend any money. At this point it looks like:

Used 1060 GPU ~ $120 - would work in new build if needed
Used 80+ power supply ~ $25 - would work in new build if needed
Used CPU ~ $70 - would not work in new build if needed
500GB SSD ~ $50 - would work in new build if needed

So it looks like my "at risk" money would be $70.

I would just spend the $50 and get the 3200g, that way you'd have a modern Mobo with all the bells and whistles, no fear of it not running your video card, etc. plus you could upgrade it down the line.. makes more sense than investing in something that's basically a dead end.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: SpineyNorman on October 24, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Jack is waving the AMD flag...who'da thunk it.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on October 24, 2019, 09:42:50 PM
Jack is waving the AMD flag...who'da thunk it.

Intel got complacent and AMD got it's shit together for once. I'm not married to any one brand..
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 25, 2019, 07:38:24 AM
I would just spend the $50 and get the 3200g, that way you'd have a modern Mobo with all the bells and whistles, no fear of it not running your video card, etc. plus you could upgrade it down the line.. makes more sense than investing in something that's basically a dead end.

Damn you and your logic...  :P

You're right. I'm basically looking at maxing out the old Motherboard and with the new one I'd be at the lowest end of it's capabilities. Think I'll still put the old computer together but with the original CPU (so no money is wasted) get the video card, power supply, etc. and hope he can get some use out of it. With Christmas and B-Day money he could then get a Ryzen (possibly even a 5).
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: k7 on October 26, 2019, 12:22:32 AM
Jack is waving the AMD flag...who'da thunk it.

he's waving the flag to keep that damm thing cool. 10 fans just isn't enough. ;D

and yes, i'm kidding.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Hamster on October 26, 2019, 02:39:34 PM
i am liking the new AMD , intel needs to stop hugging trees.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on October 26, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
I think my first computer had a AMD K6 233 MHz CPU  ;D

The first computer that my family had was a VIC20 with the cassette tape drive :P
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on November 08, 2019, 01:39:30 PM
So purchased a Radeon RX580 GPU for $93 shipped and a 610W power supply for $25 shipped. Even though the benchmark score of my free computer is about 1500 points below the recommended minimum everything appears to be working  :) The free computer had a bad HD so I used the old HD from the boy's Alienware Alpha when we updated it to a SSHD.

My $25 power supply had "8 pin" listed in the description so I thought it was good. Turns out it was 8 pin for the mother board, not the GPU  :P. It did have the (2) 6 pin GPU connectors so I plugged in 1 of them and jumped the sensor pin to ground. Everything is working now. I will modify the connector as it is currently running (3) 12V wires with (2) negative wires. When I modify it I will have the equivalent of a regular 8 pin connector ((3) 12V and (3) negative wires).

I really appreciate the info here as I am out of pocket exactly $118 to put together a system that runs the boy's Vive VR set.  ;D
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on January 24, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
Update: It's the boy's Birthday today (turned 15) so he got more computer stuff:

Previous setup:
Free - computer with a motherboard that said "Ready for windows 7!"
$25 - Power supply 610W 80+ Gold (Used)
$93 - Radeon RX580 (Used)
$7 - 6 Pin to 8 Pin Pcie Adapter Cable (New)

Added:
$140 - ASRock AB350M Motherboard & Ryzen 5 1400 (Used)
$73 - Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz (New)
$88 - Samsung 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe (New)

So total price for the computer $426

He bought the HTC Vive for $330 open box

Entire VR setup $756

New computer seems to be running everything just fine, he had several games that lagged before. Successful Birthday :)

Thanks for all the advice ;D
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on January 25, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
Update: It's the boy's Birthday today (turned 15) so he got more computer stuff:

Previous setup:
Free - computer with a motherboard that said "Ready for windows 7!"
$25 - Power supply 610W 80+ Gold (Used)
$93 - Radeon RX580 (Used)
$7 - 6 Pin to 8 Pin Pcie Adapter Cable (New)

Added:
$140 - ASRock AB350M Motherboard & Ryzen 5 1400 (Used)
$73 - Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz (New)
$88 - Samsung 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe (New)

So total price for the computer $426

He bought the HTC Vive for $330 open box

Entire VR setup $756

New computer seems to be running everything just fine, he had several games that lagged before. Successful Birthday :)

Thanks for all the advice ;D

Strange, this post never showed up on the main page  ??? Bump to let people know I appreciate their input to build this.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: number six on January 25, 2020, 03:53:41 PM
Seems like a good upgrade, the 350M will probably take a Ryzen 2 or 3 series CPU when he needs to upgrade.
Title: Re: Used computer (GPU) advice
Post by: Mamushka on January 25, 2020, 07:59:40 PM
Seems like a good upgrade, the 350M will probably take a Ryzen 2 or 3 series CPU when he needs to upgrade.

Yup the MB can handle the 3 series. Will be a while before he steps up to a Ryzen 9 3900x  ;D (looks like the highest CPU his board will take).

Really am impressed with the NVMe hard-drive, this thing boots quick.