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Title: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: weeze on October 06, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
throat cancer!
"Details to follow"
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 06, 2020, 04:18:40 PM
no surprise there since he battled it for years.

Still sucks...
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: RussG on October 06, 2020, 05:00:59 PM
One of the greatest.  Will be missed. 

2020 is continuing its' reign.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 06, 2020, 05:07:04 PM
It's a shame he kinda turned into a mega-douche last few decades. When he turned on Michael Anthony that was really rough.

However he was one of the best, you can never take that away. I caught the last Sammy Hagar Van Halen tour in 94? It was pretty spectacular.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: HighProtein on October 06, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
Ugh...
I'm am very fortunate that the Van Halen tour hit Seatte juuust after I moved to Seattle in 2009!
To me Van Halen is far more deserving of a pinball machine than Led Zeppelin...
R.i.p...
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: JimB on October 06, 2020, 06:32:40 PM
Exactly, hopefully a new pin will be in the works now.   If you want to read a great book about VH check this out by their manager.   It's got so much great info about their history:

https://www.amazon.com/Runnin-Devil-Backstage-Behind-Making/dp/006247412X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1602023499&sr=8-3
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 06, 2020, 11:16:06 PM
It's a shame he kinda turned into a mega-douche last few decades. When he turned on Michael Anthony that was really rough.

I dont really get this stuff...

The only reason he ever got the band going at all later was he wanted to play with his kid. There would have been no band post 2006 otherwise.

Mike Anthony seems like a nice dude but frankly Ed played bass on allot of their stuff and otherwise told him what to play 75 percent of the time.

The fact that they split publishing was always an issue later since he MA didnt really contribute anything to the writing other then backing vocals and that pretty much drove the wedge over the years.

hard to feel bad for a guy who has 1/4 publishing on one of the most played bands ever for barely doing anything.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: Steve O on October 07, 2020, 06:29:57 AM
I dont really get this stuff...

The only reason he ever got the band going at all later was he wanted to play with his kid. There would have been no band post 2006 otherwise.

Mike Anthony seems like a nice dude but frankly Ed played bass on allot of their stuff and otherwise told him what to play 75 percent of the time.

The fact that they split publishing was always an issue later since he MA didnt really contribute anything to the writing other then backing vocals and that pretty much drove the wedge over the years.

hard to feel bad for a guy who has 1/4 publishing on one of the most played bands ever for barely doing anything.

Replacing Michael Anthony’s picture with those of Wolfie on their older album covers was a douchie move.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 09:21:19 AM
I dont really get this stuff...

The only reason he ever got the band going at all later was he wanted to play with his kid. There would have been no band post 2006 otherwise.

Mike Anthony seems like a nice dude but frankly Ed played bass on allot of their stuff and otherwise told him what to play 75 percent of the time.

The fact that they split publishing was always an issue later since he MA didnt really contribute anything to the writing other then backing vocals and that pretty much drove the wedge over the years.

hard to feel bad for a guy who has 1/4 publishing on one of the most played bands ever for barely doing anything.

Yeah man I don't get this take at all. We know Eddie is a douche.

When it was Eddie Vs. David Lee Roth, well OK it's David Lee Roth.

Then it was Eddie vs. Sammy Hagar. Even Sammy isn't sure what happened there really.

Then it was Eddie vs. Michael Anthony who apparently can't even play Bass now? Come on.. everyone called bullshit on that including Hagar who took Michael into his band.

In the mid-90s it became obvious Eddie drank too much of his own Kool-Aid and wanted all the control of the band. He didn't want a strong front man involved he only wanted people he could control. Van Halen 3 was basically an Eddie Solo Album which is why it didn't work.. and that other album they did with Roth didn't work. Eddie is a great guitar player but that band needed a strong leader to take control without it, well it wasn't so great.

Him putting his kid in was the last straw for me. I had 0 interest in seeing that frankenstein version of the band, i'm very glad I saw them back when they had one of the classic line ups.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 09:22:52 AM
Replacing Michael Anthony’s picture with those of Wolfie on their older album covers was a douchie move.

I didn't even know he did that, fuck man that's horrible.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 11:15:45 AM
Yeah man I don't get this take at all. We know Eddie is a douche.

When it was Eddie Vs. David Lee Roth, well OK it's David Lee Roth.

Then it was Eddie vs. Sammy Hagar. Even Sammy isn't sure what happened there really.

Then it was Eddie vs. Michael Anthony who apparently can't even play Bass now? Come on.. everyone called bullshit on that including Hagar who took Michael into his band.

In the mid-90s it became obvious Eddie drank too much of his own Kool-Aid and wanted all the control of the band. He didn't want a strong front man involved he only wanted people he could control. Van Halen 3 was basically an Eddie Solo Album which is why it didn't work.. and that other album they did with Roth didn't work. Eddie is a great guitar player but that band needed a strong leader to take control without it, well it wasn't so great.

Him putting his kid in was the last straw for me. I had 0 interest in seeing that frankenstein version of the band, i'm very glad I saw them back when they had one of the classic line ups.

I dont know how you give the guy grief for looking out for himself in a band called Van Halen where he writes everything.

It is his band 100% so i dont know what cool aid he would be drinking. Without him no Van Halen.. you can put any singer in that band doesnt matter.

The rest is all money and bad management which is what screws up most bands..... he a nut for sure but thats the gist of it.

Michael Anthony has made millions upon millions off publishing he did next to nothing to earn.

And he fought to keep it later even when it was obviously unfair and based off papers they signed at 19 when they were clueless. To me that is the douche move.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 11:48:10 AM
I dont know how you give the guy grief for looking out for himself in a band called Van Halen where he writes everything.

It is his band 100% so i dont know what cool aid he would be drinking. Without him no Van Halen.. you can put any singer in that band doesnt matter.

Dude we know this isn't true. If it was true Van Halen 3 would have been just as good as every other album.. but it wasn't. Without a lead singer taking the reigns on song writing the band was unable to find success again. Clearly Eddie Van Halen wasn't the one-man creative driving force.. if he was where are all the hit albums post-hagar? On the flip side David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar were able to record hits without Eddie. Being a great guitar player will only get you so far.

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The rest is all money and bad management which is what screws up most bands..... he a nut for sure but thats the gist of it.

Yes, bad management in the form of the Van Halen brothers. I mean what's your premise here? Either Eddie is 100% in control and 100% responsible for its failings or not?

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Michael Anthony has made millions upon millions off publishing he did next to nothing to earn.

Sure, if being an active member in the band since its formation constitutes absolutely nothing?

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 12:08:56 PM
Gary Cherone was a terrible choice... no personality (unlike Roth) and mediocre singer (unlike Hagar) Plus just plain goofy if you watch him onstage with them dancing like hes in the Bee Gees. :P

The band changed managers a ton of times.. the brothers didnt manage the band.

End of day what the issue was again was publishing money..... there are different ways people get paid in the music biz. Publishing relates specifically to songwriting.

MA was and would have made a ton of money anyways just being in the band but he clung on to his publishing deal because it was easy money and a ton of it.. he knew it wasnt fair. They had to fight him all the time so he got the boot.

There is a reason he always looks so happy... he sits on his ass and checks roll in for more money than you could imagine for songs he didnt write. Id be happy too.

if you wrote 100% of something and had to always give 25 percent of that to someone who did nothing you wouldnt care? Even if it amounts to millions over the years?


Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 12:12:28 PM
Replacing Michael Anthony’s picture with those of Wolfie on their older album covers was a douchie move.

Im sure they did whatever they could to get money out of the old bass players pocket.

Best version of this if Ozzys bitch wife re-recording and replacing the original bass and drums on his first solos records so they didnt have the pay the original guys who wrote everything and played.

Literally rerecorded bass and drums on two of the most famous hard rock records ever. That is some dickish shit there.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
Gary Cherone was a terrible choice... no personality (unlike Roth) and mediocre singer (unlike Hagar) Plus just plain goofy if you watch him onstage with them dancing like hes in the Bee Gees. :P

No way Gary Cherone is a great singer. Have you actually heard any Extreme albums? He however was mis-matched with Van Halen plus it was Eddie completely calling the shots on Van Halen 3 which was basically a EVH solo record.. which is precisely why it failed. However if your premise that Van Halen was 100% EVH then it wouldn't have mattered.. but it did. In fact it showed exactly what Van Halen would be like if EVH did have 100% control.

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The band changed managers a ton of times.. the brothers didnt manage the band.

End of day what the issue was again was publishing money..... there are different ways people get paid in the music biz. Publishing relates specifically to songwriting.

MA was and would have made a ton of money anyways just being in the band but he clung on to his publishing deal because it was easy money and a ton of it.. he knew it wasnt fair. They had to fight him all the time so he got the boot.

There is a reason he always looks so happy... he sits on his ass and checks roll in for more money than you could imagine for songs he didnt write. Id be happy too.

if you wrote 100% of something and had to always give 25 percent of that to someone who did nothing you wouldnt care? Even if it amounts to millions over the years?

Once again man I don't really get what reality you are following with all of this.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
Once again man I don't really get what reality you are following with all of this.

 :o

Its pretty simple.. when they were kids like lots of dopey bands they agreed to split publishing 25% for each member because it didnt mean anything and they had no clue that would be millions of dollars.

Once it become clear that this publishing was worth a fuckton of money and that the bass player did pretty much nothing to earn it (did he write anything? did he even play bass half the time?) they wanted him to renegotiate to something more in line with his actual "contributions" which wasnt much.

He said no this is the agreement we signed and that caused the issues over time.

If you think its great that he got 25 percent of the songs he didnt write (or even play bass on some times) then I dont know what to tell you.

A dopey piece of paper they signed at 19 cost Ed millions upon millions of dollars he had to cough up to someone who didnt do anything to earn it... I have no idea why he would be mad at that?  :P

I just like how he MA is always the good guy in this situation.. he was the one being a dick, was making millions anyways off touring etc and had to be a pig to keep easy money coming in he didnt earn.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: ibis on October 07, 2020, 05:17:55 PM
Wow dude, you got some really bad angst agains Michael Anthony.  Did he piss in your corn flakes?
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: JimB on October 07, 2020, 05:28:17 PM
When Don Felder asked for a bigger cut he royally pissed off Henley and Frey big time and got axed.  I don’t see the same with Anthony.  He didn’t get offered a smaller pie like what the eagles did to their other band mates.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 05:35:07 PM
Wow dude, you got some really bad angst agains Michael Anthony.  Did he piss in your corn flakes?

Oh I dont care lol... the constant Eddie Trunk inspired "poor Michael Anthony" narrative is pretty tired though.

Eddie Trunk loves anyone one bored enough to give him an interview every few months.

Anthonys net worth is 60 million or something mostly made off of songs he didnt write.. I feel so bad for him.  :P

Here's an Eddie quote from an '82 Guitar World interview..

How would you rate David Lee Roth's vocals on Fair Warning.?

The truth is, I don't think he sang as good as I played. He took off for two weeks after the tour, and again it was "Whadda ya got, Eddie? Like I said, I had basic ideas for pretty much everything that's on the record. I worked my ass off on that one. But I love it, it's my life.
Whereas Dave, well...I won't rag too much on Dave; he pulls his weight.

Mike [Anthony] doesn't. He doesn't do anything; he has no input whatsoever. But he has remodeled his whole house and bought himself a [Porsche] Carrera with the money he's made off of us. Whatever.

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: weeze on October 07, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
MA gets 1/4. Since there is 4 people did they split the publishing 4 ways maybe?
 I remember Tom Petty talking about their first contract, EMI I think. Anywho he said he thought that in their first contract the word "songbook" was in regard to books with lyrics and music sold tp the general public. He know and wasn't told that "songbook" meant the income of all publishing!
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 10:49:22 PM
Wow dude, you got some really bad angst agains Michael Anthony.  Did he piss in your corn flakes?

Don't try to understand it.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: number six on October 07, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
When Don Felder asked for a bigger cut he royally pissed off Henley and Frey big time and got axed.  I don’t see the same with Anthony.  He didn’t get offered a smaller pie like what the eagles did to their other band mates.

Yeah Michael Anthony throughout all of this has remained a class act. I've never heard him say anything specifically negative about the Van Halen brothers even when he had every right to do so. When it got really bad Sammy Hagar stepped in to put the record straight.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 07, 2020, 11:29:25 PM
Don't try to understand it.

yah exactly...

If you think Michael Anthony wrote 25% of the early Van Halen tunes more power to you.  :P

try zero.


Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: ibis on October 08, 2020, 10:35:59 AM
Publishing is definitely where the money is.  In the article is sounds like like Eddie is more frustrated than angry, it sounds like he did a ton of work on that album.  To say MA sat around and re did his house is kind of shallow.  Maybe at this time the friendship working and otherwise was fraying.  He had been with the band since the beginning, toured and recorded continuously for 35 years!  So there has to be more to that relationship if they kept him around that long and he deserved to be payed well considering the 100's of millions in gross sales they all built together.  to me it just sounds like things soured, which usually does happen with most any band on the planet. 

Its not uncommon to see this too, when the Smashing Pumpkins came together to record Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness(or Siamese Dream, I forget), it was already wrote and mostly recorded by Billy Corgan.  The band was pissed and even made a comment about just being a band for hire.  Im sure there are tons of examples like this.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: Hamster on October 08, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
I saw Van Halen in 2008 in Tampa, Way better then Guns and Roses.

:D

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 08, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
Publishing is definitely where the money is.  In the article is sounds like like Eddie is more frustrated than angry, it sounds like he did a ton of work on that album.  To say MA sat around and re did his house is kind of shallow.  Maybe at this time the friendship working and otherwise was fraying.  He had been with the band since the beginning, toured and recorded continuously for 35 years!  So there has to be more to that relationship if they kept him around that long and he deserved to be payed well considering the 100's of millions in gross sales they all built together.  to me it just sounds like things soured, which usually does happen with most any band on the planet. 

Its not uncommon to see this too, when the Smashing Pumpkins came together to record Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness(or Siamese Dream, I forget), it was already wrote and mostly recorded by Billy Corgan.  The band was pissed and even made a comment about just being a band for hire.  Im sure there are tons of examples like this.

Of course he's angry.. all the pressure is on him every time they do a record since he has to come up with goods.

He wrote all the music (and later recorded, engineers, mixes etc) and has to give away millions in publishing money to someone who just shows up and plays bass and writes nothing (or doesnt even play bass in many cases it was already done for him on Fair Warning and later records)

The issue is that people don’t understand how the music business works and how you make money. Publishing is quite literally songwriting and for a huge band its a cash machine.

Just being "in the band" doesn’t make you a writer. There are mechanicals and other things that relate to playing on a record or touring but yes songwriting is where the money is.

Doesn’t matter if you are in the band or play bass or sing or do whatever.. if you didn’t write the song or have any input at all to the song you should not get publishing…  period.

There is a whole Billy Corgan thing on Joe Rogan about the very same issues... broke up that band since he was smart enough to keep his publishing and not give it to band members who did nothing on the records.


Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: JimB on October 08, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
From pinside,  sweet:

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: k7 on October 09, 2020, 07:59:35 AM
There is a whole Billy Corgan thing on Joe Rogan about the very same issues... broke up that band since he was smart enough to keep his publishing and not give it to band members who did nothing on the records.

smashing pumpkins was billy corgan. he wrote the song "zero". i mean, come on band...your split is literally in the song title. :)

ghost got it right. guitar players for hire. and fire. Nameless Ghouls. zero publishing credit.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: ibis on October 09, 2020, 09:07:09 AM
Nameless Ghouls. zero publishing credit.

Was that a Ghost reference?  Im impressed sir 8)
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: RussG on October 09, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
Yes and having to wear what are undoubtedly uncomfortable masks and outfits on stage playing concerts. Crazy.
Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: k7 on October 10, 2020, 11:36:15 AM




how to take a eddie has passed thread, take shots at michael anthony thread, and derail it with swedish satan rock (play He Is backwards, and it's christian muzic). job accomplished.  :)





but tribute to eddie's guitar skills live on...talent:

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: tufnel1530 on October 10, 2020, 02:28:27 PM
I prefer this guys version

Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: WannaTheater on October 19, 2020, 04:43:25 PM
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Title: Re: Eddie Van Halen has died!
Post by: JimB on October 19, 2020, 07:36:38 PM