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Title: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 16, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
Discuss?

Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Don Panetta aka 404 on October 16, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
Joe Biden's crackhead-pedophile son is the worst kept secret in politics.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 16, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
I think it's safe to say elections have always had dirty politics and the complaints are only made when it happens to their own team.  It doesn't make it right but as much as people on the left will make the case Hunter's laptop is out of bounds because they think it was illegally acquired or whatever, I doubt many of those people complained about the illegal leaking of Trump's tax returns.  I would guess it's also safe to say no one on the Trump side is complaining now (but did before).  Same thing happened with Leon Podesta's email hack and Sarah Palin's email hack, and so on.   

I can't remember anyone consistently having the higher moral ground in these types of situations. 

I just assume pretty much everyone in Washington who has been there for any amount of time has abused the system to their gain.  How else does congress always get significantly better than market returns on stock market investments?   How else do people who make good but reasonable salaries end up as what would be considered very significant amounts of wealth?  This goes for both sides too, so get off your high horses.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/members-of-congress-get-a_n_866387       
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/493497-insider-trading-by-congress-its-time-to-fix-the-law

I guess the question is at what point does the corruption get above the maximum acceptable standard (for someone in Washington) so that people will actually do something? 

Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 16, 2020, 05:52:07 PM
Same thing happened with Leon Podesta's email hack and Sarah Palin's email hack, and so on.   

I can't remember anyone consistently having the higher moral ground in these types of situations. 


I don't think this was "hacked" info. From what I'm gathering the computer was legally abandoned at a repair shop and therefore became the repair shops property. That is significantly different than illegally breaking into someone's account. As more details emerge I certainly could be shown that my understanding of the situation is incorrect.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 16, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
Discuss?


My prediction: Hannity will run it every night and all the other networks will either ignore it or spin it as "nothing to see here".
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 16, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
Rudy Giuliani, who has been serving as President Trump’s personal lawyer and Trump supporter lays out their case against Biden.  This is the biggest scandal in US history - either because the allegations and evidence is true or it is a massive fraud and libel in the last 2 weeks of the election.

 
Almost as big of a scandal as this is, is the digital censorship of the story and the complicity in that censorship by the Democratic Media establishment. That the 4th largest paper in the US was blocked from being shared on these platforms is unprecedented. This could lead to major changes in the digital communication industry or it will be the beginning of the  end of the freedom of the Press.

Finally, whatever the truth of these allegations are, the Trump Administration has pulled out all the stops and are going after Biden. If the allegations are true, and Trump remains President, Biden should be prosecuted and convicted. If Biden is elected the next President however, the establishment is likely to continue to cover this up, and I have no doubt they will go after then former President Trump for any real (or manufactured) crimes.

Growing up in the 80s, there was the concept of 2 minutes to midnight... that we were getting dangerously close to nuclear war and this was expressed through the movement of a clock. I think that’s an apt visual for how close we are to real civil war.  The powers are diametrically opposed and crimes have been committed - with both sides pointing the finger and loyalist supporters unwilling to accept the results of political defeat or legal action against their leaders. The 4 year cold civil war that was declared when Hillary lost and her supporters refused to accept the results is heating up. I hope we don’t strike midnight.

Good opinion article from Fox... yes they’re biased but they make good observations.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hunter-biden-computer-facebook-trump-censorship-scandal-jonathan-turley
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 16, 2020, 10:12:49 PM
I agree, it's not a good direct comparison because as of now it does look like the information was obtained legally.  Given Hunter has substance abuse issues it also seems more likely he would leave the computer(s) behind.  I was just trying to say it falls under the October surprise of private information going public.  Both sides have done it and will do it again. 

It should definitely be investigated and there should be due process, but I also agree it should be reported.  At least reported in the same way Trump's tax returns were covered. I understand the difference between them, but again just saying the media who thought Trump's returns were vital information for voters should feel the same way about possible Biden financial issues.

As an aside, one of the things I like to do is take a current topic being covered on one news source and search others to see if/how it is being reported. It's expected there will be spin but at least it is reported.  Outright blackout by tech companies seems to be an entirely different level of censorship though.  I wouldn't be surprised if after this passes if their blackout becomes a bigger issue and really pushes for changes to their 230 status.         

Searching different news sites for "hunter email" gets the results below.  Of course Foxnews has all kinds of damning stories which isn't surprising. 

CNN: "US authorities investigating if recently published emails are tied to Russian disinformation effort targeting Biden"

MSNBC: " Why Trump's desperate 'Bidengate' Hail Marys keep backfiring"

Washington Post: "The truth behind the Hunter Biden non-scandal", "Biden email episode illustrates risk to Trump from Giuliani"
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: k7 on October 16, 2020, 11:02:05 PM
From what I'm gathering the computer was legally abandoned at a repair shop and therefore became the repair shops property.

is this true? hilarious ;D.

listen. the department of defense left a nuclear build DVD in a laptop they shipped to us. to scrap. great job. were talking stupid amounts of information.

and as far as a DoD wipe...give me one of those hard drives. i'll STILL extract good data off of it.

i'm not saying who "us" is (old company). but man...lost faith in everything govt at that moment in time. well, that's a lie. i haven't trusted anything government....ever.

we also were aware of random black vans for quite a while.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 19, 2020, 07:35:21 AM
Where the information came from is irrelevant to me, as long as it is true.  So from what I can tell, Hunter brought in 4 water damaged laptops to a shop in Delaware, while he lived on the west coast.  He only left one for repair.  The shopowner didnt actually see him drop it off. (Hmm... who did?  Any security cameras in store/area?).  But because of a sticker on the laptop, he knew it was Hunter.  And Hunter never picked it up, because we all just abandon our heavily used communication devices, including laptops we use for important emails.  So after perusing through the owners private emails (even though the guy is legally blind I think I read), he became concerned and called the FBi... or they contacted him, not sure.  So he gave the hard drive to Rudy (a man of impeccable unbiased integrity), who in turn reported it to a right leaning news outlet, all while this info was touted all month by Trump as the “October surprise.”  I saw an email on fox news- it looked an image of a re-typed powerpoint slide.  So are the emails real?  As my mother says about crap movies.... “The story has more holes than swiss cheese.”

I also find it funny that the same people now condemning this huge “peddle influence is a mortal sin” belief, based on some questionable emails, are the same people that say Trump should not have been impeached... even though multiple highly decorated, life-long government servants, testified to all of the evidence surrounding Trumps pay for play. 

And finally...  the media coverage... Remember when Trumps tax returns were leaked (showing he paid less that everyone on this forum I assume...).  Here is what the networks were reporting:
ABC:  Trump’s taxes
CNN: Trump’s taxes
Animal Planet: Trump’s taxes
Cartoon Network: Trump’s taxes
Fox news: Hearty Fall Soup Recipes
Hearty Fall Soup Channel: Trump’s taxes
 :D





Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 19, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
Where the information came from is irrelevant to me, as long as it is true.  So from what I can tell, Hunter brought in 4 water damaged laptops to a shop in Delaware, while he lived on the west coast.  He only left one for repair.  The shopowner didnt actually see him drop it off. (Hmm... who did?  Any security cameras in store/area?).  But because of a sticker on the laptop, he knew it was Hunter.  And Hunter never picked it up, because we all just abandon our heavily used communication devices, including laptops we use for important emails.  So after perusing through the owners private emails (even though the guy is legally blind I think I read), he became concerned and called the FBi... or they contacted him, not sure.  So he gave the hard drive to Rudy (a man of impeccable unbiased integrity), who in turn reported it to a right leaning news outlet, all while this info was touted all month by Trump as the “October surprise.”  I saw an email on fox news- it looked an image of a re-typed powerpoint slide.  So are the emails real?  As my mother says about crap movies.... “The story has more holes than swiss cheese.”

I also find it funny that the same people now condemning this huge “peddle influence is a mortal sin” belief, based on some questionable emails, are the same people that say Trump should not have been impeached... even though multiple highly decorated, life-long government servants, testified to all of the evidence surrounding Trumps pay for play. 

And finally...  the media coverage... Remember when Trumps tax returns were leaked (showing he paid less that everyone on this forum I assume...).  Here is what the networks were reporting:
ABC:  Trump’s taxes
CNN: Trump’s taxes
Animal Planet: Trump’s taxes
Cartoon Network: Trump’s taxes
Fox news: Hearty Fall Soup Recipes
Hearty Fall Soup Channel: Trump’s taxes
 :D

It's great that your saying this is not his laptop. If only the Biden's would...
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 19, 2020, 09:41:49 AM
And finally...  the media coverage... Remember when Trumps tax returns were leaked (showing he paid less that everyone on this forum I assume...).  Here is what the networks were reporting:
ABC:  Trump’s taxes
CNN: Trump’s taxes
Animal Planet: Trump’s taxes
Cartoon Network: Trump’s taxes
Fox news: Hearty Fall Soup Recipes
Hearty Fall Soup Channel: Trump’s taxes
 :D

Yes, the media is biased and this year is showing it more than other time I can remember.  One big difference for me though is Fox news is unabashedly conservative and their commentators state it clearly.  That their coverage would favor republicans isn't surprising.  Every other news outlet tries to make the case they are not biased, which is just laughable.  I have no issue if they want to favor left leaning ideas, but then why not just say it?     

I would also make the case, if you want news that isn't biased to the left the only TV news option is Fox news, which is why their ratings are so strong.  If roughly half the country leans right they will tend to watch Fox.  If you lean left you can watch pretty much any other news source (ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) so their viewership has a "split vote". 

Unfortunately, I can't think of a single mainstream news source to consistently get real information without a bias to their political ideology.  Can anyone name one mainstream outlet equally loved/hated by both sides?  Is that kind of news too boring, and having commentators is more entertaining and better for ratings? 

Either way, it is a shame because investigative journalism seems to have gone away, and the only news that matters is what favors their team. 
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 19, 2020, 12:01:01 PM
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It's great that your saying this is not his laptop. If only the Biden's would...
... It very well could be.  Just stinks.  No witnesses, no videos, no proof of meetings/calls happening, just some text which apparently came from emails which apparently came from Hunter Biden, whom apparently is a crack head drug addict, from Rudy, whom has *no* ties to any overseas criminals being Trump's attorneys, provided from a Trump voter in Delaware.  And there's the "smoking gun?" 

Also, isn't Joe, not Hunter, running for President??  Is there any evidence of pay-for-play, meetings, PHONE CALLS, witnesses, etc, at all?  Or are we just going by the apparent "crack-heads" emails? 

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Yes, the media is biased and this year is showing it more than other time I can remember.  One big difference for me though is Fox news is unabashedly conservative and their commentators state it clearly.  That their coverage would favor republicans isn't surprising.  Every other news outlet tries to make the case they are not biased, which is just laughable.  I have no issue if they want to favor left leaning ideas, but then why not just say it?     

I would also make the case, if you want news that isn't biased to the left the only TV news option is Fox news, which is why their ratings are so strong.  If roughly half the country leans right they will tend to watch Fox.  If you lean left you can watch pretty much any other news source (ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.) so their viewership has a "split vote".

Unfortunately, I can't think of a single mainstream news source to consistently get real information without a bias to their political ideology.  Can anyone name one mainstream outlet equally loved/hated by both sides?  Is that kind of news too boring, and having commentators is more entertaining and better for ratings?

Either way, it is a shame because investigative journalism seems to have gone away, and the only news that matters is what favors their team.
I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 19, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
... It very well could be.  Just stinks.  No witnesses, no videos, no proof of meetings/calls happening, just some text which apparently came from emails which apparently came from Hunter Biden, whom apparently is a crack head drug addict, from Rudy, whom has *no* ties to any overseas criminals being Trump's attorneys, provided from a Trump voter in Delaware.  And there's the "smoking gun?" 

From what I heard the e-mails directly indicate that Joe Biden is to get a cut of the money Hunter was getting and Joe Biden is not denying this when asked by a reporter:

"I know you’d ask it," the former vice president retorted. "I have no response, it’s another smear campaign, right up your alley, those are the questions you always ask."

BTW, This was a CBS reporter, not a Fox new piece.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/joe-biden-snaps-reporter-asking-about-sons-emails-calls
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 19, 2020, 02:30:10 PM
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"I know you’d ask it," the former vice president retorted. "I have no response, it’s another smear campaign, right up your alley, those are the questions you always ask."

This can be taken two ways
1) Biden is lying
2) This is so far from reality, and Joe knows so, that it does not dignify an answer. 

Do you think he would answer any questions implying/asking if he was a pedophile?  (you've seen the attacks)....  (Again, perhaps it could be answer (1) or (2), my money is on (2).  :D)

I read his answer above as "Pfffft.  F-U.  There is nothing there."
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 19, 2020, 05:16:38 PM
This can be taken two ways
1) Biden is lying
2) This is so far from reality, and Joe knows so, that it does not dignify an answer. 

Do you think he would answer any questions implying/asking if he was a pedophile?  (you've seen the attacks)....  (Again, perhaps it could be answer (1) or (2), my money is on (2).  :D)

I read his answer above as "Pfffft.  F-U.  There is nothing there."

He's not lying, he is not making any comment. How hard would it be to say it's not his (Hunter's) laptop?
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 19, 2020, 07:16:06 PM

My question for those who think this isn’t Hunter Biden’s laptop is simple... are the photo’s of Hunter Biden that have been released fakes? 

Beyond the laptop, what is the excuse that Hunter Biden (a crack head) was working international business deals worth Billions and in the case of China, flying with his Dad into China on Air Force 2?

I’d like to believe that we didn’t have a Vice President (and possibly future President) who used his office to take bribes from foreign governments and sell out our country.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 19, 2020, 10:03:14 PM
On a related note, the Senate Committees on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and the Senate Committee on Finance just released a report on Hunter Biden and the Biden family.  It is 87 pages so I didn't read everything but went over the summary and conclusion and it is very interesting. 


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: k7 on October 20, 2020, 01:03:37 AM
Yes, the media is biased and this year is showing it more than other time I can remember.

i have to say, this happens every 4 years. for the last 40 years.  :P

we just have a dozen more tons of ways that news spreads nowadays.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 20, 2020, 09:37:34 AM
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I’d like to believe that we didn’t have a Vice President (and possibly future President) who used his office to take bribes from foreign governments and sell out our country.
Don't we have a current President that got impeached for doing similar?
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 20, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
Don't we have a current President that got impeached for doing similar?

True, impeached but nothing found. 

This means one of the following:
1. Trump did something but the Democrats are really bad at investigations
2. Trump didn't do anything and it was politically motived.

Either way, the big difference here is a laptop with actual evidence is available.  Also, one of Hunter's former business partners, Bevan Cooney, is providing all of his emails to confirm the ones on the laptop.  Apparently he is not to happy because "Bevan Cooney is currently serving time for his illegal financial dealings connected to Hunter Biden and his other business partner Devon Archer." 

I guess he didn't like the idea of his partners getting off without any charges while he is jail. 

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/hunter-bidens-business-partner-flipped-providing-access-26000-emails-to-reporters
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 20, 2020, 10:59:02 AM
i have to say, this happens every 4 years. for the last 40 years.  :P

we just have a dozen more tons of ways that news spreads nowadays.

Absolutely, the election years ramp up the rhetoric.  I still say the "unbiased" press has either shown themselves for what they always were, or they just moved further out because they dislike Trump so much.  There were always biases by omission, showing/framing stories that favor democrats, but now it seems like anything goes. 

Not saying Trump doesn't deserve some of it and he does his best to keep antagonizing them too.  But when he or his administration does something good it can't be reported because he is so bad nothing that might help him will be done.  I think a good example is the middle east agreements.  Arab countries wouldn't even acknowledge Israel's right to exist.  Now you have multiple Arab countries normalizing relations, opening trade, starting flights, etc. and it is good.  I don't think any major news outlet gave any credit and only the barest of coverage.  There are complaints about the agreement and not including Palestine, but as a first step I think it is impressive.     

All that being said, I don't care what the major news players do with their coverage - it's their show so to speak.  Just drop the line about being unbiased, acknowledge what they are supporting, and present the information they want to present.  If they believe in it so much why hide it? 
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 20, 2020, 11:11:52 AM
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True, impeached but nothing found.
Nothing?

"The investigation alone produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice."

A summary:
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 20, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Nothing?

"The investigation alone produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice."

A summary:
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/


Interesting, I must have missed how Trump and his son were indicted and then convicted.

Seriously, if people associated with Trump committed crimes, the law was applied fairly, and they were found guilty, why wouldn’t we all be happy about that?  This isn’t about Trump though, it’s about Biden and his family graft. Is that acceptable now because he’s got a D next to his name and opposes Trump?  Selling your office and taking bribes from foreign governments is the highest form of betrayal. So back to the original question. Are the photos on the laptop fake?  What reasoning do you hold to that this isn’t his laptop?  Why do you discount the texts and other documents that clearly show the treason?  If there is a logical case to be made, I’d personally be happy that we didn’t have a Vice President sell us (all of us) out. Heck, I voted for him. 
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 20, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
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Interesting, I must have missed how Trump and his son were indicted and then convicted.
The response was to "Impeached but found nothing," which I do not believe to be factual, based on facts.

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Selling your office and taking bribes from foreign governments is the highest form of betrayal.
While not from a foreign government, I guess it is acceptable to Team Trump... even if you do not have a "D" next to your name.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-expected-grant-clemency-former-ill-gov-rod-blagojevich-ex-n881051 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-expected-grant-clemency-former-ill-gov-rod-blagojevich-ex-n881051)

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Seriously, if people associated with Trump committed crimes, the law was applied fairly, and they were found guilty, why wouldn’t we all be happy about that? 
We should. And I am.  And if there is substance behind this "October Surprise," the Biden's should be held just as accountable as Trump has for any of his crimes.... like obstruction of justice, campaign finance laws broken, emoluments clauses broken, Chinese patents granted, etc.  May Biden's punishment be just as harsh, dammit!

Seriously, if the facts show that Joe Biden is corrupt, has been selling out the country, etc, then he should be called to the carpet.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Mamushka on October 20, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
What reasoning do you hold to that this isn’t his laptop?


Wanna already answered that: It had something to do with his mom's favorite cheese or something...

 ;)
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 20, 2020, 01:07:06 PM
Nothing?

"The investigation alone produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice."

A summary:
https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

Fair enough point.  I will say I have pretty much been out of politics since Trump was elected and didn't pay attention to the impeachment so I can't say much on what happened and will have to do some research before giving my two cents.  On that note, I will say it is interesting to start reading again after a number of years and see the new players and changes in the political landscape.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Sid on October 20, 2020, 01:28:29 PM
I don't participate in the political forums often but I do read them. 

I find it interesting that in most cases you can't speak about one candidate without involving the other.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: k7 on October 20, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
i love that there's a discussion about who is more corrupt?

regarding corruption, every single politician has every member on the village beat for sure. except maybe japhei.

F them all.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 20, 2020, 09:37:27 PM
It appears the FBI and Justice Department have confirmed the laptop information is real

"The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administration officials told Fox News Tuesday...

...Further, Fox News has learned that the FBI and Justice Department officials concur with an assessment from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe that the laptop is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign targeting Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-purported-hunter-biden-laptop-sources
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: deadlander on October 29, 2020, 07:56:12 AM
So did any of you watch Tucker Cason in the last two days?  The interview with Tony Bobulinski (Biden Business partner) more than certainly raises more questions that the Biden team once again won’t come out the basement and answer.  The press choosing not to cover it and Twitter banning the New York post and the White House press secretary certainly shows the “mainstream” press is an extension of the dnc and Biden campaign. This illustrates how broken our politics has become. The press’s obligation is to be the fourth branch of government and shed light and expose politicians who abuse their power. When 90% of the press give dems a pass it allows that side to be corrupted and we the people loose.  The press has certainly tried and failed to impeach and remove Trump the American people are starting to figure out that crying Russian interference is not good enough to ignore blatant influence peddling. We will see if this pushes the needle....
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 29, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
This illustrates how broken our politics has become. The press’s obligation is to be the fourth branch of government and shed light and expose politicians who abuse their power.

I agree.  Going back to my earlier post, I expect different news sources to spin stories, so CNN and FOX will have very different takes.  That is expected but a complete blackout is something different.  I just pulled up CNN and did a search for Bobulinski and it didn't return a single result.  I figure maybe the search function wasn't working and tried different searches and all of those did come back with results.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Hamster on October 29, 2020, 11:59:27 AM
I am confused, who is running for president? Hunter or Joe ??

Just admin it... the Bidens and the Trumps are dirty as F* and all of them need to be in Jail.

Can't we all just agree on that? They are both "Dirty".. and Clueless.

Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: k7 on October 29, 2020, 01:46:26 PM
So did any of you watch Tucker Cason ?

unrelated:

   the video uploader above committed suicide earlier today. he shot himself in the back 6 times and then cut his own throat. watch the news tonight for no more information at 11:00.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: dug on October 29, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
I am confused, who is running for president? Hunter or Joe ??

Just admin it... the Bidens and the Trumps are dirty as F* and all of them need to be in Jail.

Can't we all just agree on that? They are both "Dirty".. and Clueless.

Part of the issue is Joe is implicated too.  Still, even if you point is correct and both sides are corrupt, the issue here is the press.  An independent free press who at least attempts to keep the people in power in check has a lot of value.  The mainstream press and silicon valley are doing everything they can to suppress this story, which to me is really the bigger issue now. 
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: deadlander on October 29, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
Well I guess big tech is at it again video pulled from YouTube.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: deadlander on October 29, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
It appears there is an open investigation on hunter for money laundering. Still no repose from Biden and the rest of the media. https://twitter.com/jamesrosentv/status/1321927288716480515?s=21
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 30, 2020, 07:13:11 AM
It appears there is an open investigation on hunter for money laundering. Still no repose from Biden and the rest of the media. https://twitter.com/jamesrosentv/status/1321927288716480515?s=21

.... yet Trump is calling for Barr to open up an investigation into Hunter Biden?

....  this “fact,” which originated on the Sinclair Broadcast Group...(https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sinclair-broadcast-group/)?

....Brought to light on the Tucker Carlson show? 

Dam, another smoking gun!!!!! 😆
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 30, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
If the allegations are true (and there is a whole lot of evidence to suggest they may be), then it seems like VP Biden would fundamentally be in trouble for tax evasion.
Pretty ironic considering that’s one of the allegations against Trump that the media has been pushing with far less evidence.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: deadlander on October 30, 2020, 02:15:20 PM
More fun stuff with the heads of big tech testifying before the senate. Klavan has a fun clip about it while he certainly is right wing biased his humor makes watching him entertaining love the part where he compares twitters Jack Dorsey to Buffalo bill. . Hurry better watch before it’s pulled off YouTube.
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: WannaTheater on October 30, 2020, 03:55:01 PM
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Pretty ironic considering that’s one of the allegations against Trump that the media has been pushing with far less evidence.
I find this comment comical-  If Trump had nothing to hide, he would release his tax returns.  Biden has released all of his.  But sure, I would believe the "my world is about money" financial deadbeat who has over 20,000 documented lies to be telling the truth about paying his fair share to Uncle Sam.

Just out of curiosity, what WOULD you consider to be EVIDENCE?  Here is some examples of Trump financial fraud:
1) Trump university scam? (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/31/522199535/judge-approves-25-million-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit)
2) Misuse of charity funds? (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation)
3) Emoluments Clause violations? (https://oversight.house.gov/investigations/emoluments-clause)
4) Campaign Finance violations? (Think Stormy)
5) Hidden bank accounts in China?

While financial fraud does not necessarily equate to tax fraud, Trump is sure trying REALLY REALLY hard to keep his taxes from being made public.  (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917916141/legal-fight-over-trumps-financial-records-grinds-on-even-as-tax-details-spill-ou)

So Trump, you said during the 2016 election cycle that you would make your tax returns available.  "Promises Kept," right??  Put your money where your mouth is.  Release your returns and lets see how honest you are.  Defend the $750 dollars of taxes paid, due to all of your "legal" deductions...
Title: Re: NY Post / Biden
Post by: Yosho on October 30, 2020, 05:34:22 PM
Yep, perfectly fair to criticize Trump on not releasing his taxes when he said he would. If that costs him your vote, it’s his loss.  As far as I know, he hasn’t been accused with any evidence of tax fraud. Perhaps plenty of other fraud, but not tax fraud. The IRS and FBI haven’t prosecuted him yet, and I’m sure they have access to his records.

Biden has released his taxes which is good. He wasn’t legally obligated to do it anymore than Trump is, but it’s good he did.  My point is if the allegations of international payments to his son and other family members were part of a money laundering scheme to buy influence and that Joe Biden actually received that money, then he will have filed fraudulent tax records. Remember, the mob (ex Al Capone) was largely stitched up on tax fraud, not all the other crimes they committed.