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General Category => The Political Forum => Topic started by: dug on October 28, 2020, 09:53:23 PM
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During the 2012 presidential election I posted asking for predictions on who would win and made it a bit of a contest by offering a prize (Dan/Batman ended up winning). http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,17122.msg144792.html#msg144792
This time around it is just for bragging rights (or perhaps a Trading Places gentleman's bet of $1.)
The rules:
Pick a winner for president and their electoral college vote count.
Also pick who will have control of the house and senate.
The person who picks the winner for president and is closest on the electoral vote count wins. If there is a tie the winner will be who got more right on control of the house and senate. If that is a tie the winner will be who posted first.
The contest ends at 7:30am (eastern time) on election day Tuesday November 3rd.
Good luck!
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My entry is straight incumbent:
Winner: Trump
EV count: 310
Senate: Republican
House: Democrat
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Trump 279
Senate Republican
House Democrat
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President - it doesn't matter...we all lose. :o
Senate: Republican
House: Democrat
Jo Jorgensen:
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Trump 279
Biden 0
Wait for it...
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Trump 279
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Trump's best path to 279 would be to lose 100 lbs.
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Trump's best path to 279 would be to lose 100 lbs.
Remember this
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I'd like to say this wasn't fair, at no point did I consider the votes of the recently deceased would be in play.
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Remember this
Seriously, why? Because somehow, our election system that has worked since 1789 is suddenly no longer working? Are Republican controlled states just letting people manufacture 5 million votes (about how much Trump is losing popular vote by), and that is what is turning them blue?
Remember when Trump said the 2016 election was also rigged, and that's why he lost the popular vote by about 3M? In 2016, I think it was the busloads of illegals, voting. Refresher:
https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d (https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d)
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/)
In 2020 I guess it is all the dead people voting...
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i don't care who wins. it's my ship and i ignore the captain anyways...
but...there's been major issues in the election process since at least the year 2000.
biden had a chance of winning 2 out of the 7 states left, a week ago. boy, did that change.
and this: trump had 55%+ of pennsylvania with 93% of the vote in. i am curious how they pulled this crap off. :)
(https://i.ibb.co/KmpXSRh/penn-state.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M9xsQWS)
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and this: trump had 55%+ of pennsylvania with 93% of the vote in. i am curious how they pulled this crap off. :)
Is it really a mystery? Trump is actually responsible for inadvertently orchestrating the way the numbers rolled in. Remember he spent months, years even, claiming mail in ballots were a source of voter fraud (never mind that's the way he votes). Then while a worldwide pandemic descended upon the U.S., he downplayed it. For both reasons Trump voters were more comfortable with in-person voting and would shun mail in voting, while Biden voters played it safe with the pandemic and voted by mail. Pennsylvania counts the in-person ballots first, then the mail-in ballots, with rural areas, which lean Republican, coming in first (smaller number to count than urban areas) and urban counts coming in later. In that sequence while early counts favored Trump, by the time all is said and done, that idea that Trump had a 55% lead was a false indicator of the outcome. Everyone new beforehand, explained in all the media outlets, the later counts would lean Democratic, in all states. There's no fraud or conspiracy, it's simple human behavior and math.
This is a more complete explanation: https://theconversation.com/how-votes-are-counted-in-pennsylvania-changing-numbers-are-a-sign-of-transparency-not-fraud-during-an-ongoing-process-149685
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agree with most of that, but trump voted in person in west palm beach. :)
anyone who needs a president to guide them to common sense is already a drone. trump or biden, dumb cannot be defeated. :P
now can we get rid of the poll texters? how can you track one of them down, just to choke the crap out of him/her? it's a useless activity, and wrong answers are given more often than actual answers.
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Seriously, why? Because somehow, our election system that has worked since 1789 is suddenly no longer working? Are Republican controlled states just letting people manufacture 5 million votes (about how much Trump is losing popular vote by), and that is what is turning them blue?
Remember when Trump said the 2016 election was also rigged, and that's why he lost the popular vote by about 3M? In 2016, I think it was the busloads of illegals, voting. Refresher:
https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d (https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d)
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/)
In 2020 I guess it is all the dead people voting...
just remember.
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Release the Kraken
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According to Joe Hoft of the Gateway Pundit, "In a little over a week, groups of volunteer IT specialists, data analysts, auditors and more, have uncovered enough potential fraud to overturn the 2020 Election...These groups of Trump and America loving patriots are working on their own time and digging into election data to identify potential evidence of fraud. Despite the MSM promoting a group of ‘experts’ claiming this was ‘the most secure election ever,' the real evidence indicates a totally different story."
Just when we thought we'd plumbed the digital depths of Hell and all the ways our election could be digitally corrupted, the Army comes to our rescue and the situation is well in hand.
Germany aiding or allowing us to seize servers on German soil is actually nothing new
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According to Joe Hoft of the Gateway Pundit, "In a little over a week, groups of volunteer IT specialists, data analysts, auditors and more, have uncovered enough potential fraud to overturn the 2020 Election...These groups of Trump and America loving patriots are working on their own time and digging into election data to identify potential evidence of fraud. Despite the MSM promoting a group of ‘experts’ claiming this was ‘the most secure election ever,' the real evidence indicates a totally different story."
Just when we thought we'd plumbed the digital depths of Hell and all the ways our election could be digitally corrupted, the Army comes to our rescue and the situation is well in hand.
Germany aiding or allowing us to seize servers on German soil is actually nothing new
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
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exactly , a hoax of a hoax . everything is a hoax , too much of everything is a hoax .lol just have fun , watch the show ,cheers
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Is it really a mystery? Trump is actually responsible for inadvertently orchestrating the way the numbers rolled in. Remember he spent months, years even, claiming mail in ballots were a source of voter fraud (never mind that's the way he votes). Then while a worldwide pandemic descended upon the U.S., he downplayed it. For both reasons Trump voters were more comfortable with in-person voting and would shun mail in voting, while Biden voters played it safe with the pandemic and voted by mail. Pennsylvania counts the in-person ballots first, then the mail-in ballots, with rural areas, which lean Republican, coming in first (smaller number to count than urban areas) and urban counts coming in later. In that sequence while early counts favored Trump, by the time all is said and done, that idea that Trump had a 55% lead was a false indicator of the outcome. Everyone new beforehand, explained in all the media outlets, the later counts would lean Democratic, in all states. There's no fraud or conspiracy, it's simple human behavior and math.
This is a more complete explanation: https://theconversation.com/how-votes-are-counted-in-pennsylvania-changing-numbers-are-a-sign-of-transparency-not-fraud-during-an-ongoing-process-149685
That was a very good effort, but as I've come to understand more and more clearly, you're just wasting your time.
They won't listen to reason or make the effort to understand how differently and in what order individual states count their votes depending on said state's laws because it doesn't fit the story. It's much easier to just posit without evidence: Any election Trump loses is rigged. Further, any election Trump wins is also rigged because he should have won by more (see 2016.)
They clutch their pearls at the sight of states showing Trump ahead on election night only to have, after the Republican-demonized absentee ballots are added (much later in several states because of Republican sponsored laws that forbid the processing of veritable mountains of mail in ballots until election day), Biden is found to have the most votes these states. Of course there was no outcry of Fraud! and Rigged Election! when on election night states like North Carolina and Ohio showed Biden in the lead shortly after polls closed only to be later overtaken by Trump. Republicans didn't cry fraud because Trump eventually won the states. Democrats didn't cry fraud because they recognize the process. Was it dead voters from the hoary underworld that turned the tide, securing an inevitable win for President Trump after all the votes were tabulated, terrestrial and supernatural alike? Nope. They just counted all the votes. Mail-in votes were allowed to be counted earlier in those states and then the inevitable torrent of Trump election day votes were processed, giving him the win. Georgia in reverse. Pennsylvania in reverse. If Florida wasn't allowed to process absentee ballots weeks ahead of time we may well have seen the same pattern with Biden appearing to take an early lead only to be swamped by Trump's day-of votes.
It's not a "rigged election"; it's "counting all the votes." But NC and Ohio wasn't fraud and Georgia and Pennsylvania was because Trump won in those and lost in these. They're not arguing in good faith will continue to avoid doing so because they don't have to. Congressional Republicans do not. The President does not. So why should they? And trying to convince them to come to that particular table is just a waste of time.
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Each party is guilty of not accepting things.
In 2016 the Democratic party along with the anti-Trump crowd certainly didn't accept Trump's victory without strenuous objection for the last 4 years. Some may recall there were a lot of Democrats complaining back in 2000 with Bush v. Gore.
So yes, it would be fairly ironic that the Democrats are now acting in shock and awe that anyone dare contest their results.
It seems in every election cycle that the losing side always think some shenanigans occurred by the winning side or that something was unfair or there needs to be election reform etc.
The whole political charade gets old.
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As a registered independent I feel free to say both parties are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. The Democrats are more blatantly evil and the Republicans are a bunch of pussies.
I would say that anyone who does not get a stinky whiff of a heavy strangeness and likely bigly fraud here is kinda just being a Biden homie. I get it, you hate Trump but damn strange days indeed with this election.
The more interesting question to me is what happens if this gets overturned at the Supreme Court level? I would not be shocked if that is the outcome personally. Kinda would be cosmic justice for the shit they put Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas through (Biden and Kamala personally led the nastiness there).
Leftist heads will explode and we will see a ton of rioting for sure. They will forget about their sudden desire to heal the nation for sure. But how do things get back to normal after that? Even the new normal where Russia is guilty of everything but our toilet paper shortages. I don't see getting back to the new normal either.
Conversely if Trump fails to overturn how do we have a working democracy when suddenly half the population believe the entire system is a sham? When the idea of America is gone for half the country I think we are fucked.
Interesting times for sure, scary times. Scares the fuck out of me — I will not deny it. Never seen such brazen lunacy and criminality in politics in my life. I am loading up on ammo, TP, and food personally and putting off all major investments till this comes to a head.
Civil War maybe ahead and Soros will laugh all the way to the bank on his shorts. Just another day at the office.
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Both mainstream political parties are as corrupt as the day is long. Both mainstream political parties serve the same types of people, and it "ain't" us.
One side is clearly more vile and dishonest than the other at this moment in time - I'll leave that up to the reader to decipher who I mean.
That said; accusations and statements were made long before the election occurred indicating there would be fraud. This was the excuse in case things wouldn't go their way.
When one side brings forth an accusation or strong accusations, they better present evidence indicating their points. This hasn't happened. At least this hasn't happened enough to indicate widespread fraud that would upend an election. People are being duped over and over and believing unsupported nonsense. That Kraken release sure went over like a whimper. Cry Wolf much, Sidney?
When are people really going to grow up and stop believing what we've been force fed our entire lives about just about everything?
People are filled with bias, hate, greed, and fear and this has created an obvious love to believe what they want to believe in their own echo chamber/s.
Could it be the simple fact is Americans are divided by design to keep us from revolting against those really in control?
Think about those that never seem to suffer and always seem to come out ahead or wealthier. Why aren't the people focused on them instead of hating each other (other pawns)?
I also do not believe people understood the election laws by state, (they're all different) nor do many understand demographics and voting demographics.
As with most of these forum postings few minds will be changed regardless of factual presentation. We live in a sad state.
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Each party is guilty of not accepting things.
In 2016 the Democratic party along with the anti-Trump crowd certainly didn't accept Trump's victory without strenuous objection for the last 4 years. Some may recall there were a lot of Democrats complaining back in 2000 with Bush v. Gore.
The primary issue with the 2000 election is that Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election. Those that didn't like the outcome learned of a side-effect of the electoral college, and frankly had to accept it because that's how our election process works. The outcome of that situation is 15 states so far confirmed in the National Popular Vote movement. Change takes a while, people are impatient, but we knew all that.
This election is different though. Biden won both the popular vote and the electoral college by a wide margin, so there's nothing substantial to contest considering decades of recounts have proven the initial tallys to be very accurate. We knew in advance that the politicians were all geared up to exercise their law degrees in court, so all we can do as citizens is let them work it out while we'll go on with life. covid life. ;D
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I am still amazed by the absurdity of what is going on. Perhaps someone can help me understand the "fraud" that has occurred. Lets take a look at the talking points:
1) The evil corrupt mailman has thrown away all Trump votes. Hmm. I guess postal carriers have x-ray vision to see inside the envelopes to throw away just the Trump ballots.
2) The evil corrupt mailman has a special device to open ALL the ballots, find the Trump ballots to throw away, then seal them up. Has anyone ever forgot to put something in an envelope and had to reopen it??? Its gets mangled and eventually taped!
3) For anyone who voted for Trump by mail and is concerned that your ballot didn't get counted.... Go online and check! But this only applies to Trump voters, because only Trump votes could have been impacted.
4) Evil voting machines: Voting machines rely on paper ballots, which are scanned. Why paper ballots? For auditability- There is a paper record. But apparently Dominion voting machines have been hacked, and somehow all of the electronic missing ballots (all for Trump), also managed to disappear from the paper ballot stockpile.
5) What about all the dead people that received ballots and voted????? I guess all the dead people that *may* have received a ballot by mail only voted for Biden? Thank god we have the evil mailmen that have the x-ray vision so there is a failsafe for the dead people that voted for Trump so they could be selectively thrown away. Phew!
6) Evil Biden voters are voting 10 times through the mail!!! (Only Biden voters though!). FACT: My GF received her ballot in the mail (requested). On my request, purely to investigate the integrity of the system, I had her request a second one. She was instantly denied, stating she already had one.
To our Republican "Leaders": If you have ANY evidence (other than youtube-breitbart-homemade-out-of-context-BS-"Facts") BRING IT ON. Or STFU.
I'll say it again: BRING THE EVIDENCE TO COURTS, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE COURTS FOR HAVING NO EVIDENCE.
To Trump: 7 Million more voters, and 306 electoral votes (a "landslide" as you stated every chance you could in 2016) say #PackYourShit. Take your scumbag grifting family and fade into obscurity. And maybe the USA can stop fighting itself, maybe get a healthcare plan, an infrastructure plan, an immigration plan... and another 20 miles of new border wall.
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I am still amazed by the absurdity of what is going on. Perhaps someone can help me understand the "fraud" that has occurred. Lets take a look at the talking points:
1) The evil corrupt mailman has thrown away all Trump votes. Hmm. I guess postal carriers have x-ray vision to see inside the envelopes to throw away just the Trump ballots.
2) The evil corrupt mailman has a special device to open ALL the ballots, find the Trump ballots to throw away, then seal them up. Has anyone ever forgot to put something in an envelope and had to reopen it??? Its gets mangled and eventually taped!
3) For anyone who voted for Trump by mail and is concerned that your ballot didn't get counted.... Go online and check! But this only applies to Trump voters, because only Trump votes could have been impacted.
4) Evil voting machines: Voting machines rely on paper ballots, which are scanned. Why paper ballots? For auditability- There is a paper record. But apparently Dominion voting machines have been hacked, and somehow all of the electronic missing ballots (all for Trump), also managed to disappear from the paper ballot stockpile.
5) What about all the dead people that received ballots and voted????? I guess all the dead people that *may* have received a ballot by mail only voted for Biden? Thank god we have the evil mailmen that have the x-ray vision so there is a failsafe for the dead people that voted for Trump so they could be selectively thrown away. Phew!
6) Evil Biden voters are voting 10 times through the mail!!! (Only Biden voters though!). FACT: My GF received her ballot in the mail (requested). On my request, purely to investigate the integrity of the system, I had her request a second one. She was instantly denied, stating she already had one.
To our Republican "Leaders": If you have ANY evidence (other than youtube-breitbart-homemade-out-of-context-BS-"Facts") BRING IT ON. Or STFU.
I'll say it again: BRING THE EVIDENCE TO COURTS, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE COURTS FOR HAVING NO EVIDENCE.
To Trump: 7 Million more voters, and 306 electoral votes (a "landslide" as you stated every chance you could in 2016) say #PackYourShit. Take your scumbag grifting family and fade into obscurity. And maybe the USA can stop fighting itself, maybe get a healthcare plan, an infrastructure plan, an immigration plan... and another 20 miles of new border wall.
I think you guys are going to be quite shocked. I'd also wouldn't be surprised if Joe Biden is sworn in, they finally hear some of these in court and completely overturn the election, kicking Biden out.
see how the USPS union helped Hilary in the 2016 election from your beloved CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/politics/osc-usps-hillary-clinton-hatch-act/index.html
video from 2006 shows smartmatic voting machines being run by Venezuelan officials. A claim that CNN just spun as fake by their "fact-checker".
Antrim county in Michigan has so far been the only county that has agreed to a court ordered forensics test of the voting machines. The preliminary report published just a few days ago shows a whopping 68.05% error rate. One expert on the forensics panel calls it intentional. Another expert on the panel claims as many as 80% of the votes should be invalidated. All of the voting machine adjudication logs for the year 2020 are also missing for the entire county on every voting machine used. A violation of state law and what another expert called intentional.
https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves
Instead of urging republicans to prove it in court, why don't democrats just agree to force forensic studies on the voting machines? The idea that voting machiens were tampered with during the 2016 election was pushed hard by progressive whites. Michael Moore even made a movie about this. CNN also covered the fact that Venezuelans officiated US elections.
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http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,33971.0.html
Pot meet kettle
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Still waiting...is this gonna take long?
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http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,33971.0.html
Pot meet kettle
BTW
Still waiting...is this gonna take long?
HA! I guess we can add more crybaby douchbags to the list?
Is is what happens when you spit up? Comes back into your face maybe?
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Well, no sooner died I post here and Georgia just announced they are going to verify signatures on ballots.
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HA! I guess we can add more crybaby douchbags to the list?
Is is what happens when you spit up? Comes back into your face maybe?
The "Douchbag" comment was because there were massive riots going on because Trump won and the Dems decided to do a recount after the deadline passed. Keeping the unfounded hope that Hillary could win and the riots fueled. So yes, it was douchy to encourage the riots by dangling the carrot to the animals that Hillary could win (after she conceded no less).
Not seeing too many riots by Trump supporters.
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Well, no sooner died I post here and Georgia just announced they are going to verify signatures on ballots.
Investigators will audit voter signatures on absentee ballot envelopes in Cobb County, a step announced Monday by Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to further verify election results.
The move follows intense pressure from President Donald Trump and other Republicans who have continued to make unsupported claims that last month’s election wasn’t legitimate.
(Here comes the important part...)
The review of absentee ballot signatures won’t change the results of the presidential election. Machine and hand counts showed Democrat Joe Biden won Georgia by about 12,000 votes, and the Electoral College voted for Biden on Monday.
(Add to that the 50 court cases lost, thrown out, or withdrawn...One wonders exactly how many times Mussolini Lite is going to have to lose before you accept facts?)
The unprecedented signature audit could show whether signatures on absentee ballot envelopes really did match the voter signatures kept on file. But there’s no way to match voter signatures to ballots after envelopes were opened. The right to cast a secret ballot is guaranteed by the state Constitution.
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The "Douchbag" comment was because there were massive riots going on because Trump won and the Dems decided to do a recount after the deadline passed. Keeping the unfounded hope that Hillary could win and the riots fueled. So yes, it was douchy to encourage the riots by dangling the carrot to the animals that Hillary could win (after she conceded no less).
Not seeing too many riots by Trump supporters.
Maybe so (if that is indeed what you meant - not fully qualified) but what is even douchey'ier is floating the idea by multiple people on the so-called right of declaring martial law or using the military to overturn an election. That's a Pandora's Box really none of us want to see.
Life as we know it would change and this country would be mortally harmed.
If Obama or Hitlery even floated a whiff of that idea or anyone around them did some people on here would go apeshit!
That (especially in right wing circles and those who consider themselves libertarian minded) used to be a major literal and figurative crossing the Rubicon moment and clarion call to fears of eventual military dictatorship or authoritarianism and the idea is pushed around by a cult leader and on here some don't seem it's worthy of a warning or admonishment.
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I think you guys are going to be quite shocked. I'd also wouldn't be surprised if Joe Biden is sworn in, they finally hear some of these in court and completely overturn the election, kicking Biden out.
FFS. Biden won the election. The election was certified. The Supreme Court affirmed it. Period. The campaign had their chance to prove fraud in the courts and they failed miserably. The only recourse left is Congress could attempt some funny business on January 6th, but that is also unlikely to succeed. There is otherwise no "overturning the election" at this point, it's Constitutionally impossible. Hell, the Constitution doesn't even require states to hold presidential elections. Each state could literally flip a coin if they wanted to and that would be fine. In other words, even if a state purposefully rigged the election, there's *still* nothing you can do about the outcome once certified.
see how the USPS union helped Hilary in the 2016 election from your beloved CNN
And that means what exactly, in the context of the 2020 election?
video from 2006 shows smartmatic voting machines being run by Venezuelan officials. A claim that CNN just spun as fake by their "fact-checker".
What does Smartmatic have to do with the 2020 election?
https://www.smartmatic.com/us/smartmatic-fact-checked/
Antrim county in Michigan has so far been the only county that has agreed to a court ordered forensics test of the voting machines. The preliminary report published just a few days ago shows a whopping 68.05% error rate.
This was the result of human error and was fixed. Pretty good explanation here.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/15/trump-fact-check-defect-voting-machines-michigan/3902951001/
Not seeing too many riots by Trump supporters.
That's because most Trump supporters haven't accepted he lost yet. Once the reality sets in, the various "militia" groups may go nuts, as they've alluded to. Will they actually do it, or are they just "crybaby douchebags", that remains to be seen.
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https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves
... are you really quoting something from Scribd??? Every time I want to download a document from there (guitar magazines, tab books, etc), I am forced to upload some files of my own to make the download free.... I literally have uploaded dozens of garbage docs over the years. Perhaps we can find some additional forensic docs on PirateBay?
But assuming the doc is actually from a law firm, here is a counterpoint to your "forensics" article:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/michigan-judge-allows-release-report-antrim-county-voting/6537394002/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/14/michigan-judge-allows-release-report-antrim-county-voting/6537394002/)
So yes, it was douchy to encourage the riots by dangling the carrot to the animals that Hillary could win (after she conceded no less).
My thinking on the douchy meter is that a call for a recount pales in comparison to a sitting president trying to overturn an entire presidential election without any evidence.
Yeah, yeah, I know, its coming, wait and see, its on its way....
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... are you really quoting something from Scribd??? Every time I want to download a document from there (guitar magazines, tab books, etc), I am forced to upload some files of my own to make the download free.... I literally have uploaded dozens of garbage docs over the years. Perhaps we can find some additional forensic docs on PirateBay?
totally sane and normal response. Doesn't sound unhinged at all.... ;D
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totally sane and normal response. Doesn't sound unhinged at all.... ;D
Merely a factual response. I've uploaded dozens of "garbage" docs to scribd so I can download things I want without signing up. Most are word docs, with nothing of substance in them. My point is that anyone can post there, whatever they want, with no fact checking required.
But on to the real point about your claims about voting machine fraud... This was put out yesterday by Newsmax, now Trump and his followers' favorite news station since Fox told viewers Biden won the election:
https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html (https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html)
Apparently folks can lie at will on the air, on social media, etc. But a threat of a lawsuit brings that "Aha Moment." Or basically (see prior post):
If you have ANY evidence (other than youtube-breitbart-homemade-out-of-context-BS-"Facts") BRING IT ON. Or STFU.
I'll say it again: BRING THE EVIDENCE TO COURTS, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE COURTS FOR HAVING NO EVIDENCE.
Yeah, yeah, I know, its coming, wait and see, its on its way....
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QAnon mentality is powerful here.
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QAnon mentality is powerful here.
BWHAHAHAHAHA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/22/georgia-election-official-and-trump-critic-gabriel-sterling-says-woman-fraudulently-voted-using-his-address/
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Looks like the evidence about the millions of dead people voting is now starting to roll in....
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/man-accused-of-illegally-voting-for-trump-under-names-of-dead-mother-and-mother-in-law/2642642/ (https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/man-accused-of-illegally-voting-for-trump-under-names-of-dead-mother-and-mother-in-law/2642642/)
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Just curious if anyone actually watched all of the 20 + hours of voter fraud presented by Rudy Giuliani to the different states?
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i wqtched the 30 second clip where "someone" farted:
that summed up politics in a simple video. a lot of hot gas, and it all smells like bullsh... :P
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Just curious if anyone actually watched all of the 20 + hours of voter fraud presented by Rudy Giuliani to the different states?
I watched some, but admittedly not much. Call me a skeptic, but I will not waste my time watching a "legal proceeding, hearing, or deposition," conducted in a hotel ballroom.
Put them under oath in a courtroom, including the attorneys, broadcast it live, and I will watch.
But I did see/hear Rudy fart.
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Also when asked in numerous courtrooms by Trump lawyers if they were alleging fraud the lawyers including Giuliani fell all over themselves to decline. They didn't want to perjure themselves or engage in punishments for frivolous lawsuits.
Which to me means this was all for show for the base to gin up anger and resentment at the election results AND glean the opportunity to raise more money from the base for Trump's future PAC (60% to pay off campaign costs, 40% to the RNC and anything over 5k would go to the actual legal defense fund) and possible future lawsuit defense.
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As I figured.
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As I figured.
If you can point me to any videos where evidence is presented under in any legally-binding situation (court room trial, sworn in deposition, grand jury testimony, etc.) I will gladly watch.
I did watch some of the Michigan house oversight committee meeting, which has no legal binding. My takeaway was still a lack of evidence.
With all the drama and fanfare about the global scale of election fraud, the biggest ever seen in the history of countries and universes, you would think there would be someone smart enough to find and present evidence to support it. Damn, a detective on Forensic Files found a killer by matching his footprint left in a hotdog bun on the floor of the crime scene.... yet nobody can find evidence of 7 million fraudulent votes?
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I agree with a lot of the criticism of how the alleged fraud was presented. The question I ask myself and which I’d be interested in others takes is this: There are serious allegations of fraud and evidence to support those allegations (evidence doesn’t equal confirmation mind you). What has been done to work through the evidence, discover new evidence, and hold a meaningful process (political or judicial) to determine the truth? As was pointed out, hotel ballrooms, press conferences, and courts throwing out lawsuits for lack of standing don’t amount to meaningful process to get to the truth. I think the counter criticism by the Trump supporters that it’s hard to see fraud when you close your eyes has some merit here. At every turn, meaningful investigation and process has been denied. That’s tragic as 70 million voters on some level now feel the election was fraudulent and that Biden/Harris are illegitimate. This hurts all Americans as it weakens the next President’s effectiveness. After 4 years of how Trump communicated with America and after 4 years of how the establishment and media did everything they could to delegitimize him, we’re a fractured people. The way that the fraud allegations are being swept under the rug will only worsen that fracture. Why care about a country or culture if you’re convinced it’s corrupt and you have no way to fix it? That’s where millions of Americans are now. For the good of the country, this should have been investigated properly. I’m afraid we’re all going to regret that it wasn’t, regardless of how we voted or didn’t vote.
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There are serious allegations of fraud and evidence to support those allegations
My take: Where? The courts keep throwing out cases due to lack of credible evidence.
What has been done to work through the evidence, discover new evidence, and hold a meaningful process (political or judicial) to determine the truth?
Dozens of lawsuits have been filed, and while a few still have not been adjudicated, the majority (60ish, I believe at last count), have been denied due to lack of evidence.
Regarding evidence, new evidence, meaningful process, etc., that is standard Burden of Proof, and is on the accuser. And affidavits are not evidence.
For the good of the country, this should have been investigated properly.
Yosh- What about the LAST "Biggest Election Fraud in American History"... Trump losing the 2016 popular vote.
Trump 2016 tweets, again with no proof/evidence (non-trump supporters would call these "lies"). (I googled for 5 seconds and grabbed the first 3):
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!
Look forward to seeing final results of VoteStand. Gregg Phillips and crew say at least 3,000,000 votes were illegal. We must do better!
An investigation on the "massive voter fraud of illegals" voting was conducted by a Trump commission- Which was pretty biased to the right (Kris Kobach, Mr. Muslim Registry, etc.).
And the results again.... no real evidence. The commission was dissolved in 2018.
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i don't know why i come into this sub...i guess everyone wants to watch the car wreck. :P
xxx why care about a country or culture if you’re convinced it’s corrupt and you have no way to fix it? That’s where millions of Americans are now.
but if anyone thinks anything govt related is on the up and up....well, you deserve what you're fed. :P
"for the people, by the people" is a joke. it's for the rich, by the rich, to enhance the rich. :)
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i don't know why i come into this sub...i guess everyone wants to watch the car wreck. :P
but if anyone thinks anything govt related is on the up and up....well, you deserve what you're fed. :P
"for the people, by the people" is a joke. it's for the rich, by the rich, to enhance the rich. :)
Preach KLaSSic!!
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My take: Where? The courts keep throwing out cases due to lack of credible evidence.
Dozens of lawsuits have been filed, and while a few still have not been adjudicated, the majority (60ish, I believe at last count), have been denied due to lack of evidence.
Regarding evidence, new evidence, meaningful process, etc., that is standard Burden of Proof, and is on the accuser. And affidavits are not evidence.
Yosh- What about the LAST "Biggest Election Fraud in American History"... Trump losing the 2016 popular vote.
Trump 2016 tweets, again with no proof/evidence (non-trump supporters would call these "lies"). (I googled for 5 seconds and grabbed the first 3):
An investigation on the "massive voter fraud of illegals" voting was conducted by a Trump commission- Which was pretty biased to the right (Kris Kobach, Mr. Muslim Registry, etc.).
And the results again.... no real evidence. The commission was dissolved in 2018.
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Why is it that you never post sources or context for anything? Let's put on the old detective hat and find out...
Running a reverse image search on this photo gives me this website as a source:
http://www.texastrashtalk.com/2020/04/vote-harvesting-in-harris-county-beyond.html?m=1
This is some retired Houston teacher's Blogger page with two only articles. From April. Concerning a small handful of ballots. From the 2018 TX elections.
Pack it up boys, this hard-hitting evidence right here is sure to overturn the 2020 election.
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I agree with a lot of the criticism of how the alleged fraud was presented.
I mean, besides Rudy's hotel kangaroo court scene, where else was fraud presented? Most of the lawsuits didn't even allege fraud. Why do you think that is? And why do you think they showcased all this alleged fraud outside the courtroom?
The question I ask myself and which I’d be interested in others takes is this: There are serious allegations of fraud and evidence to support those allegations (evidence doesn’t equal confirmation mind you). What has been done to work through the evidence, discover new evidence, and hold a meaningful process (political or judicial) to determine the truth?
The FBI investigated it and found nothing. The states' conservative leadership investigated and recounted and found nothing. Dozens of conservative justices said there was no case. The administration's own lawyers quit because there was no case. The conservative Supreme Court said there was no case. Why is that not acceptable enough? What else could possibly be done? I guess there could be a Congressional hearing and put these accusers under sworn testimony?
That’s tragic as 70 million voters on some level now feel the election was fraudulent and that Biden/Harris are illegitimate. This hurts all Americans as it weakens the next President’s effectiveness. After 4 years of how Trump communicated with America and after 4 years of how the establishment and media did everything they could to delegitimize him, we’re a fractured people.
You've spent the last four years on this forum complaining about how the left was organizing a coup because the won't accept the results of the 2016 election. Now it's looking like the right attempting a coup because they won't accept the 2020 results. I agree it's incredibly tragic that Americans aren't seeing elections as legitimate anymore, and yes this could have disastrous consequences in the near future. It's also tragic that our own president has been the main one fanning these flames for over a decade.
Why care about a country or culture if you’re convinced it’s corrupt and you have no way to fix it? That’s where millions of Americans are now. For the good of the country, this should have been investigated properly. I’m afraid we’re all going to regret that it wasn’t, regardless of how we voted or didn’t vote.
I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry that millions of crybaby douchebags can't accept that they lost, that there's no proof of widespread fraud, and that nothing can be done at this point even if there was. I'm sorry that they failed to make a case, over and over and over again. I'm sorry that their majority conservative government leadership couldn't "properly" investigate election fraud to the extent their constituents wanted. If the average conservative doesn't care about America anymore and wants to burn it down next month because Donald Trump told them to, that's their collective decision. I hope they will find a way to get over it.
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Nice summary Chris.
The reality of a two-party democracy is that half the people will be unhappy every election. This is an expected situation.
^^^ Re-read that a few times to make sure no one forgets it in 2024.
The counts are done, the re-counts matched the original counts with high accuracy, the courts have upheld the vote, the election is certified, but for the first time in this country's history, the loser refuses to accept that reality.
If your favorite sports team doesn't win the championship this year, I suppose you are free to blame it on the scoreboard operator for falsifying the scores, or the referees from missing a key call, but at the end of the day, half the fans, coaches, and players will need to accept defeat as written on the scoreboard, and re-focus on next year. It's an expected situation.
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Why is it that you never post sources or context for anything? Let's put on the old detective hat and find out...
Running a reverse image search on this photo gives me this website as a source:
http://www.texastrashtalk.com/2020/04/vote-harvesting-in-harris-county-beyond.html?m=1
This is some retired Houston teacher's Blogger page with two only articles. From April. Concerning a small handful of ballots. From the 2018 TX elections.
Pack it up boys, this hard-hitting evidence right here is sure to overturn the 2020 election.
When did i ever say it was from this election? You literally just said i post things without context then assume i meant anything about the current election cycle.
Try to keep up with yourself.
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To Don's point, I will concede, I do not doubt there are folks that will cheat in elections- Don's example is pretty good, and more research shows that earlier this year an investigation was started based on the evidence presented on "Texas Trash Talk." A bit more research on the author, shows she is also affiliated with "Empower Texans," which is being attributed with starting a civil war within the Texas GOP. She is also involved in an active petition to shut down the Harris County Department of Education.... so little meek schoolteacher she is not- she is an activist with an agenda. (good or bad, I do not know).
Either way, as stated, I am sure there are pockets of election fraud. But even if Don's example of 30 potentially fraudulent votes for a non-related 2018 Texas race did apply to the 2020 presidential election, there needs to be about 7 million more cases, minus those thirty, plus the one guy that voted using the name of his dead mother in Pennsylvania.
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You literally just said i post things without context then assume i meant anything about the current election cycle.
This thread is literally about the 2020 Election. Without context, why the hell should it be assumed you are posting about the 2018 TX Election? Care to explain why you just dropped that there with no explanation and walked away from it? What was in in regards to? Obviously it was an attempt at trolling, as usual, and with that said I'll quit feeding you.
Either way, as stated, I am sure there are pockets of election fraud. But even if Don's example of 30 potentially fraudulent votes for a non-related 2018 Texas race did apply to the 2020 presidential election, there needs to be about 7 million more cases, minus those thirty, plus the one guy that voted using the name of his dead mother in Pennsylvania.
Oh totally, I'm every election has fraud in it in some small form or another. I wonder what became of this example and I hope something happened with it, but it still completely misses the point that there would have to have been a hell of a lot of this kind of fraud for the 2020 election to be in serious question. If you can't get 30 fraudulent votes past a home economics teacher, I don't have much hope for the other 7 million votes in 2020.
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i hate to ask.
i saw that was a 2018 texas election. but what about those cards is exactly fraudulent? she said the writing matched up. it really doesn't.
and it's texas. you don't think there can be 10 people living in a duplex?
i honestly don't know how those rose a red flag.
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Trump 279
Biden 0
Wait for it...
Was today "it"...cause that failed also.
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this election was as rigged as a Fishing Boat set fOr trolling with Outriggers / This election is as Fraudulent as when Bush beat out Gore .. ! FACT- take away our Freedoms and let the Govt care for our health ,this will start a Civil war .People vs Govt! We need a King . Elect Trump for KING / Off with your fkn heads
Masks are a waste unless you have covid and are Opening your mouth. Get that Mask away from me
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Was today "it"...cause that failed also.
LOL i couldn't be further from mad...I find this hilarious
Looks through my old posts:
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