2020 Election Betting Contest

[PinFever]

According to Joe Hoft of the Gateway Pundit, "In a little over a week, groups of volunteer IT specialists, data analysts, auditors and more, have uncovered enough potential fraud to overturn the 2020 Election...These groups of Trump and America loving patriots are working on their own time and digging into election data to identify potential evidence of fraud. Despite the MSM promoting a group of ‘experts’ claiming this was ‘the most secure election ever,' the real evidence indicates a totally different story."

Just when we thought we'd plumbed the digital depths of Hell and all the ways our election could be digitally corrupted, the Army comes to our rescue and the situation is well in hand.

Germany aiding or allowing us to seize servers on German soil is actually nothing new

[SpineyNorman]

According to Joe Hoft of the Gateway Pundit, "In a little over a week, groups of volunteer IT specialists, data analysts, auditors and more, have uncovered enough potential fraud to overturn the 2020 Election...These groups of Trump and America loving patriots are working on their own time and digging into election data to identify potential evidence of fraud. Despite the MSM promoting a group of ‘experts’ claiming this was ‘the most secure election ever,' the real evidence indicates a totally different story."

Just when we thought we'd plumbed the digital depths of Hell and all the ways our election could be digitally corrupted, the Army comes to our rescue and the situation is well in hand.

Germany aiding or allowing us to seize servers on German soil is actually nothing new

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit

[PinFever]

exactly , a hoax of a hoax . everything is a hoax , too much of everything is a hoax  .lol just have fun , watch the show ,cheers

[squaresville]

Is it really a mystery?  Trump is actually responsible for inadvertently orchestrating the way the numbers rolled in.  Remember he spent months, years even, claiming mail in ballots were a source of voter fraud (never mind that's the way he votes).  Then while a worldwide pandemic descended upon the U.S., he downplayed it.  For both reasons Trump voters were more comfortable with in-person voting and would shun mail in voting, while Biden voters played it safe with the pandemic and voted by mail.  Pennsylvania counts the in-person ballots first, then the mail-in ballots, with rural areas, which lean Republican, coming in first (smaller number to count than urban areas) and urban counts coming in later.  In that sequence while early counts favored Trump, by the time all is said and done, that idea that Trump had a 55% lead was a false indicator of the outcome.  Everyone new beforehand, explained in all the media outlets, the later counts would lean Democratic, in all states.  There's no fraud or conspiracy, it's simple human behavior and math.

This is a more complete explanation: https://theconversation.com/how-votes-are-counted-in-pennsylvania-changing-numbers-are-a-sign-of-transparency-not-fraud-during-an-ongoing-process-149685

That was a very good effort, but as I've come to understand more and more clearly, you're just wasting your time.

They won't listen to reason or make the effort to understand how differently and in what order individual states count their votes depending on said state's laws because it doesn't fit the story. It's much easier to just posit without evidence: Any election Trump loses is rigged. Further, any election Trump wins is also rigged because he should have won by more (see 2016.)

They clutch their pearls at the sight of states showing Trump ahead on election night only to have, after the Republican-demonized absentee ballots are added (much later in several states because of Republican sponsored laws that forbid the processing of veritable mountains of mail in ballots until election day), Biden is found to have the most votes these states. Of course there was no outcry of Fraud! and Rigged Election! when on election night states like North Carolina and Ohio showed Biden in the lead shortly after polls closed only to be later overtaken by Trump. Republicans didn't cry fraud because Trump eventually won the states. Democrats didn't cry fraud because they recognize the process. Was it dead voters from the hoary underworld that turned the tide, securing an inevitable win for President Trump after all the votes were tabulated, terrestrial and supernatural alike? Nope. They just counted all the votes. Mail-in votes were allowed to be counted earlier in those states and then the inevitable torrent of Trump election day votes were processed, giving him the win. Georgia in reverse. Pennsylvania in reverse. If Florida wasn't allowed to process absentee ballots weeks ahead of time we may well have seen the same pattern with Biden appearing to take an early lead only to be swamped by Trump's day-of votes.

It's not a "rigged election"; it's "counting all the votes." But NC and Ohio wasn't fraud and Georgia and Pennsylvania was because Trump won in those and lost in these. They're not arguing in good faith will continue to avoid doing so because they don't have to. Congressional Republicans do not. The President does not. So why should they? And trying to convince them to come to that particular table is just a waste of time.

[pinballcorpse]

Each party is guilty of not accepting things.

In 2016 the Democratic party along with the anti-Trump crowd certainly didn't accept Trump's victory without strenuous objection for the last 4 years. Some may recall there were a lot of Democrats complaining back in 2000 with Bush v. Gore.

So yes, it would be fairly ironic that the Democrats are now acting in shock and awe that anyone dare contest their results.   

It seems in every election cycle that the losing side always think some shenanigans occurred by the winning side or that something was unfair or there needs to be election reform etc. 

The whole political charade gets old. 

[freakandgeek]

As a registered independent I feel free to say both parties are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. The Democrats are more blatantly evil and the Republicans are a bunch of pussies.

I would say that anyone who does not get a stinky whiff of a heavy strangeness and likely bigly fraud here is kinda just being a Biden homie. I get it, you hate Trump but damn strange days indeed with this election.

The more interesting question to me is what happens if this gets overturned at the Supreme Court level? I would not be shocked if that is the outcome personally. Kinda would be cosmic justice for the shit they put Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas through (Biden and Kamala personally led the nastiness there).

Leftist heads will explode and we will see a ton of rioting for sure. They will forget about their sudden desire to heal the nation for sure. But how do things get back to normal after that? Even the new normal where Russia is guilty of everything but our toilet paper shortages. I don't see getting back to the new normal either.

Conversely if Trump fails to overturn how do we have a working democracy when suddenly half the population believe the entire system is a sham? When the idea of America is gone for half the country I think we are fucked.

Interesting times for sure, scary times. Scares the fuck out of me — I will not deny it. Never seen such brazen lunacy and criminality in politics in my life. I am loading up on ammo, TP, and food personally and putting off all major investments till this comes to a head.

Civil War maybe ahead and Soros will laugh all the way to the bank on his shorts. Just another day at the office.

[RussG]

Both mainstream political parties are as corrupt as the day is long.  Both mainstream political parties serve the same types of people, and it "ain't" us.

One side is clearly more vile and dishonest than the other at this moment in time - I'll leave that up to the reader to decipher who I mean.

That said; accusations and statements were made long before the election occurred indicating there would be fraud.  This was the excuse in case things wouldn't go their way. 
When one side brings forth an accusation or strong accusations, they better present evidence indicating their points.  This hasn't happened.  At least this hasn't happened enough to indicate widespread fraud that would upend an election.  People are being duped over and over and believing unsupported nonsense. That Kraken release sure went over like a whimper.  Cry Wolf much, Sidney?

When are people really going to grow up and stop believing what we've been force fed our entire lives about just about everything?
People are filled with bias, hate, greed, and fear and this has created an obvious love to believe what they want to believe in their own echo chamber/s.

Could it be the simple fact is Americans are divided by design to keep us from revolting against those really in control?
Think about those that never seem to suffer and always seem to come out ahead or wealthier.  Why aren't the people focused on them instead of hating each other (other pawns)?

I also do not believe people understood the election laws by state, (they're all different) nor do many understand demographics and voting demographics.

As with most of these forum postings few minds will be changed regardless of factual presentation.  We live in a sad state.

[Baiter]

Each party is guilty of not accepting things.

In 2016 the Democratic party along with the anti-Trump crowd certainly didn't accept Trump's victory without strenuous objection for the last 4 years. Some may recall there were a lot of Democrats complaining back in 2000 with Bush v. Gore.

The primary issue with the 2000 election is that Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election.  Those that didn't like the outcome learned of a side-effect of the electoral college, and frankly had to accept it because that's how our election process works.  The outcome of that situation is 15 states so far confirmed in the National Popular Vote movement.  Change takes a while, people are impatient, but we knew all that.

This election is different though.  Biden won both the popular vote and the electoral college by a wide margin, so there's nothing substantial to contest considering decades of recounts have proven the initial tallys to be very accurate.  We knew in advance that the politicians were all geared up to exercise their law degrees in court, so all we can do as citizens is let them work it out while we'll go on with life.  covid life. 

[WannaTheater]

I am still amazed by the absurdity of what is going on.  Perhaps someone can help me understand the "fraud" that has occurred.  Lets take a look at the talking points:

1) The evil corrupt mailman has thrown away all Trump votes.  Hmm.  I guess postal carriers have x-ray vision to see inside the envelopes to throw away just the Trump ballots.

2) The evil corrupt mailman has a special device to open ALL the ballots, find the Trump ballots to throw away, then seal them up.  Has anyone ever forgot to put something in an envelope and had to reopen it??? Its gets mangled and eventually taped!

3) For anyone who voted for Trump by mail and is concerned that your ballot didn't get counted....  Go online and check!  But this only applies to Trump voters, because only Trump votes could have been impacted.

4) Evil voting machines:  Voting machines rely on paper ballots, which are scanned.  Why paper ballots?  For auditability-  There is a paper record.  But apparently Dominion voting machines have been hacked, and somehow all of the electronic missing ballots (all for Trump), also managed to disappear from the paper ballot stockpile.

5)  What about all the dead people that received ballots and voted??  I guess all the dead people that *may* have received a ballot by mail only voted for Biden?  Thank god we have the evil mailmen that have the x-ray vision so there is a failsafe for the dead people that voted for Trump so they could be selectively thrown away.  Phew!

6) Evil Biden voters are voting 10 times through the mail!!!  (Only Biden voters though!).  FACT:  My GF received her ballot in the mail (requested).   On my request, purely to investigate the integrity of the system, I had her request a second one.  She was instantly denied, stating she already had one.

To our Republican "Leaders":  If you have ANY evidence (other than youtube-breitbart-homemade-out-of-context-BS-"Facts")  BRING IT ON.  Or STFU.
I'll say it again:  BRING THE EVIDENCE TO COURTS, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE COURTS FOR HAVING NO EVIDENCE.

To Trump:  7 Million more voters, and 306 electoral votes (a "landslide" as you stated every chance you could in 2016) say #PackYourShit.  Take your scumbag grifting family and fade into obscurity.  And maybe the USA can stop fighting itself, maybe get a healthcare plan, an infrastructure plan, an immigration plan... and another 20 miles of new border wall.

[Don Panetta aka 404]

I am still amazed by the absurdity of what is going on.  Perhaps someone can help me understand the "fraud" that has occurred.  Lets take a look at the talking points:

1) The evil corrupt mailman has thrown away all Trump votes.  Hmm.  I guess postal carriers have x-ray vision to see inside the envelopes to throw away just the Trump ballots.

2) The evil corrupt mailman has a special device to open ALL the ballots, find the Trump ballots to throw away, then seal them up.  Has anyone ever forgot to put something in an envelope and had to reopen it??? Its gets mangled and eventually taped!

3) For anyone who voted for Trump by mail and is concerned that your ballot didn't get counted....  Go online and check!  But this only applies to Trump voters, because only Trump votes could have been impacted.

4) Evil voting machines:  Voting machines rely on paper ballots, which are scanned.  Why paper ballots?  For auditability-  There is a paper record.  But apparently Dominion voting machines have been hacked, and somehow all of the electronic missing ballots (all for Trump), also managed to disappear from the paper ballot stockpile.

5)  What about all the dead people that received ballots and voted??  I guess all the dead people that *may* have received a ballot by mail only voted for Biden?  Thank god we have the evil mailmen that have the x-ray vision so there is a failsafe for the dead people that voted for Trump so they could be selectively thrown away.  Phew!

6) Evil Biden voters are voting 10 times through the mail!!!  (Only Biden voters though!).  FACT:  My GF received her ballot in the mail (requested).   On my request, purely to investigate the integrity of the system, I had her request a second one.  She was instantly denied, stating she already had one.

To our Republican "Leaders":  If you have ANY evidence (other than youtube-breitbart-homemade-out-of-context-BS-"Facts")  BRING IT ON.  Or STFU.
I'll say it again:  BRING THE EVIDENCE TO COURTS, AND PERHAPS YOU WILL NOT CONTINUE TO BE LAUGHED OUT OF THE COURTS FOR HAVING NO EVIDENCE.

To Trump:  7 Million more voters, and 306 electoral votes (a "landslide" as you stated every chance you could in 2016) say #PackYourShit.  Take your scumbag grifting family and fade into obscurity.  And maybe the USA can stop fighting itself, maybe get a healthcare plan, an infrastructure plan, an immigration plan... and another 20 miles of new border wall.

I think you guys are going to be quite shocked. I'd also wouldn't be surprised if Joe Biden is sworn in, they finally hear some of these in court and completely overturn the election, kicking Biden out.


see how the USPS union helped Hilary in the 2016 election from your beloved CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/politics/osc-usps-hillary-clinton-hatch-act/index.html

video from 2006 shows smartmatic voting machines being run by Venezuelan officials. A claim that CNN just spun as fake by their "fact-checker".

Antrim county in Michigan has so far been the only county that has agreed to a court ordered forensics test of the voting machines. The preliminary report published just a few days ago shows a whopping 68.05% error rate. One expert on the forensics panel calls it intentional. Another expert on the panel claims as many as 80% of the votes should be invalidated. All of the voting machine adjudication logs for the year 2020 are also missing for the entire county on every voting machine used. A violation of state law and what another expert called intentional.

https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves

Instead of urging republicans to prove it in court, why don't democrats just agree to force forensic studies on the voting machines? The idea that voting machiens were tampered with during the 2016 election was pushed hard by progressive whites. Michael Moore even made a movie about this. CNN also covered the fact that Venezuelans officiated US elections.

[SpineyNorman]

http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,33971.0.html


Pot meet kettle

BTW

Still waiting...is this gonna take long?

[RussG]

http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php/topic,33971.0.html


Pot meet kettle

BTW

Still waiting...is this gonna take long?

HA!  I guess we can add more crybaby douchbags to the list?

Is is what happens when you spit up?  Comes back into your face maybe?

[Don Panetta aka 404]

Well, no sooner died I post here and Georgia just announced they are going to verify signatures on ballots.

[Mamushka]

HA!  I guess we can add more crybaby douchbags to the list?

Is is what happens when you spit up?  Comes back into your face maybe?

The "Douchbag" comment was because there were massive riots going on because Trump won and the Dems decided to do a recount after the deadline passed. Keeping the unfounded hope that Hillary could win and the riots fueled. So yes, it was douchy to encourage the riots by dangling the carrot to the animals that Hillary could win (after she conceded no less).

Not seeing too many riots by Trump supporters.

[SpineyNorman]

Well, no sooner died I post here and Georgia just announced they are going to verify signatures on ballots.

Investigators will audit voter signatures on absentee ballot envelopes in Cobb County, a step announced Monday by Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to further verify election results.


The move follows intense pressure from President Donald Trump and other Republicans who have continued to make unsupported claims that last month’s election wasn’t legitimate.


(Here comes the important part...)



The review of absentee ballot signatures won’t change the results of the presidential election. Machine and hand counts showed Democrat Joe Biden won Georgia by about 12,000 votes, and the Electoral College voted for Biden on Monday.



(Add to that the 50 court cases lost, thrown out, or withdrawn...One wonders exactly how many times Mussolini Lite is going to have to lose before you accept facts?)





The unprecedented signature audit could show whether signatures on absentee ballot envelopes really did match the voter signatures kept on file. But there’s no way to match voter signatures to ballots after envelopes were opened. The right to cast a secret ballot is guaranteed by the state Constitution.