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I'm really not a fan of Stern SW, I actually prefer the Data Est one.
I know previous attempt of home versions are not really collectibles.
Still, i think it's a smart move from Stern to target a different range of potential buyers with a cheaper and simpler table with such an universal theme.
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any links? i heard this was announced. they must be making money doing home editions, but reliable history shows they tank, so who knows?
my data? batman costco edition. the most limited pinball in the modern era. 48 of them. yep. $10,000 by xmas. ;D
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I would also be interested in links, and believe me that I have opinions about every SW pin ever made, which I will keep to myself.
EDIT...Found, scroll down... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-stern-game-will-be-summer-release/page/19
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jax gator found this ;D
(http://www.pinball-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Star-Wars-home-model-at-SDCC.jpg)
http://www.pinball-magazine.com/?p=3957&fbclid=IwAR1DNQQ75BLTClQIvShhZaFHMmQzdRGv8ELTiB2RzClYvcbJ-jDhipmBhHI
notes: they reuse Pro translites.
personal notes: there must be like, 13 magnets in play under the playfield with all that "Space". get it? home editions...the final frontier.
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Spare Parts ! Yay!
i bet they will be priced $500 less then the current PRO model.. which
Can we just call it the "Sub Pro-SpareParts Model"
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Yeah i think price will be the big problem. If these were like $2k or something maybe you can justify it but chances are they will be $3500-$4000 at least.. which at that point you could get something better.
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Rumor has it, Priced at $3999..
yeah, Stern, its a flop, bad idea, 2999 maybe.. but not 3999... 1999 would of been a good deal.
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Rumor has it, Priced at $3999..
yeah, Stern, its a flop, bad idea, 2999 maybe.. but not 3999... 1999 would of been a good deal.
Yeah it's going to fall into the same boat as the previous attempts at a "home version".
Obviously the goal is to appeal to the non-collector.. aka Joe Six-Pack.
However $4000 is waaay too much money for Joe Sixpack to impulse buy. Somebody serious about getting into Pinball will find even with the most basic of research (ie going to a Pinball retail place) that $4000 will get you a number of "legitimate" Pinball machines.. maybe used versus new but warrantied from the retail place just the same.
It would be interesting if somebody could come up with a more legit looking game for a reasonable price. What if somebody could knock off a beloved early SS game (ie not that many toys, simple scoring, etc) for under $2k? They could even cut corners with more plastic than wood as long as the playfield was left intact.. but nobody has done it.
I think the real problem is, if you are going to make a full sized Pinball might as well go for a $6k+ price tag as that's the market.
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If you manage to make it work, video speed after 10 sec for me :
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I would be embarrassed if my home burnt down and i had to tell the insurance company i had a "home edition" pin inside.
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I would be embarrassed if my home burnt down and i had to tell the insurance company i had a "home edition" pin inside.
you tell your insurance you had 2 big bang bar, original runs, in the box. you tell them THAT, sir! ;D
price from stern's site - MSRP $4,499. :roll:
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You know, if the price was 1000 bucks and they offerred a reasonable guarantee and availability of parts I can see it, at that price I really could see it. Might actually be a lot of pinball for the price. But at 4 k, stupid. You can get a awful lot of pinball for that price, hell you could actually buy a Solid State game like a T2 or a good HIGH SPEED, and two very very good Ems for that price.
Stern, you have made a bad business decision on this. Im pretty surprised actually that they would attempt this.
and as always this is just my opinion.
you may return to your regularly scheduled program!
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Oh hey, you guys that own own the full sized model, what do you think about the game playing itself on this game. I am unfamiliar with the play as I'm not around most of the newer games. Oustside of my own TWD I dont ever get to play new ones.
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well they did upgrade the display to an lcd. so there is 1k bucks in that upgrade.
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for me, star wars is decent in limited, premium formats. as with every other game, the star wars pro is stripped down.
now, i watched stern's gameplay video of this example.
it's garbage...would be a compliment. the jetsons owns this game for replay value.
i think the positive, is the star wars pro value has to go up with this thing hitting the streets.
well they did upgrade the display to an lcd. so there is 1k bucks in that upgrade.
they upgraded it with a 2004 garmin GPS.
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Oh goodie, Star Trek is next coming out in December...
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LOL
'Do-It-Yourself' Multiball
...crap.
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First mod: A magnifying glass to see the monitor!
I personally loved the smaller Spiderman game and was really on the fence about getting one. But the screen on this one! Jack's stream makes it look like everything is so crisp and bright, but how will players see their scores in a multiplayer game? The screen layout is way too much like the full-size game, but the full-size display is at least twice as large. At least with the smaller Spiderman the numbers and text were large enough to fill the display.
I am serious. The first mod should be a thin LCD screen that replaces the translite. We know it's Star Wars. Let's make those video clips pop! (I think they did a great job with the videos and everything here. The game itself looks fun and challenging.)
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Stern Pinball Announces New Star Warsâ„¢ Pinâ„¢ - Affordable Pinball Machine for the Home
CHICAGO, IL – July 18, 2019 – Stern Pinball, Inc., a global lifestyle brand based on the iconic and outrageously fun modern American game of pinball, announced today the Star Wars™ Pin™, a new stylish, affordable and fun pinball machine designed and engineered for the home.
Stern’s new Star Wars™ Pin™ immerses players in the dynamic Star Wars™ galaxy. The Pin™ is packed with features that provide players with an irresistible game experience including select speech and footage from the original Star Wars™ trilogy, color-changing playfield inserts, a custom sculpted Death Star, and a custom sculpted and interactive TIE fighter.
The easy to setup Star Warsâ„¢ Pinâ„¢ is built to last and engineered with genuine Stern commercial-quality parts. The playfield is housed in a stylish cabinet with dynamic, high definition artwork. The all-LED playfield lighting provides optimal color and brilliant light shows.
“The Star Warsâ„¢ Pinâ„¢ is designed to provide quality family entertainment and bring pinball fun to homes everywhere,†said Gary Stern, Chairman and CEO of Stern Pinball, Inc. “We are pleased to bring these pinball machines celebrating the Star Warsâ„¢ galaxy and adventures to our fans.â€
Complementing the immersive theme and exciting gameplay experience, Stern Pinball’s powerful SPIKE™ electronics hardware system enables high-definition graphics and innovative animations. SPIKE™ reduces system complexity and energy usage, resulting in enhanced reliability and simplified servicing.
Pricing and Availability:
Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (“MSRPâ€)*:
$US 4,499
*MSRP for sales to USA end-users, before any VAT, GST, Sales Tax, Duties, or other taxes.
I don't see how this makes any sense at all.
You can get almost any Stern Pro for around $4500 used (or less). When you add in tax this is right on top of the cost of a Pro.
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The BOM on this game cant be but 2k.. I really hope no distros order this to stick it to stern. The price tag is offensive lol.
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"...if you can't say anything nice..."
i'd have 18 posts. ;D
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I will say something nice...at least it has two wire forms returning to both the right and left inlanes.
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And no, this isn't a re-run..
lest we forget
and ..
or this one ..
(https://www.pinballnews.com/news/batmanlite1.jpg)
Well know how well all of the past efforts went over.. I guess it's time to try again? Maybe it will work one of these days.
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I dont really get these either..
That being said they keep making these so they must be selling somewhere. Stern isnt that stupid. :P
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Wait a minute, WHEN was that "for home use" transformers get built? Was it distributed by the usual suspects or was it sold at home depot or walmart or something?
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Wait a minute, WHEN was that "for home use" transformers get built? Was it distributed by the usual suspects or was it sold at home depot or walmart or something?
close your eyes:
http://villagebbs.com/forum/index.php?topic=38476.msg313538#msg313538
https://sternpinball.com/2012/10/01/transformers-pin/ 2012 release date.
$2995 thru amazon only.
read the reviews: from an "OH MY GOD THE BEST THING EVER, USED PINBALLS SCARE ME!!!" down to "This was fun...poor ball drain design, but mine blew up on day 4, lucky free returns." :)
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hmm, Star Wars Home looks very simular to Spider Man Home!
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I did not know about Batman, and I just realize there's a standard - or "Costco" - edition of Iron Man
(https://images.pinside.com/2/d0/2d0e172ad1691569c9210a37877266f00b504ba7/resized/large/2d0e172ad1691569c9210a37877266f00b504ba7.jpg)
Image stolen from Pinside to make Klassik happy ;D
more here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-iron-man-classic-standard
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Also, if you cross this release + Gary Stern saying the Pros were not priced high enouch + JJP prices, you can see where this is all going. Which is not a good news if you were still expecting a routeable franchised NIB pinball in the 5K zone.
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Thinking out loud about progress...
Strange how pinballs have gotten more and more complicated, along with the price, but the production costs and building time drastically reduced, prices should be stable or even less. The industry of electronics/parts have come along way, and they manage to keep costs low. Examples: Tower computer in 1995 $1500, laptop 2010 $500 with way more memory and speed, cell phones 2018 $200 with way more functions than a laptop, touch screen, ect. Another example in 1957 Philco 19 inch black and white TV was $650, Zenith 25 inch color console $500 1984, and Vizio 32 inch with apps $225.
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obviously there's some shennanigans going on behind the scenes.
Pinballs were what.. $3200 NIB for years.. then in like a 5 year period that jumped to the $5k+ prices we're seeing today.
Is it really that much more expensive to make a Pinball today than say 2005? No. no it isn't.
Then there's the whole Pro-Premium bit. Add a ramp and a couple of plastic bits and its $2k more? Riiiiight.
Not that I blame them, people pay it (myself included) they will keep pricing them that way.
I still don't understand why they keep trying to go after this mythical Joe Sixpack market. It seems like every 3-5 years they give it a go.. but the answer seems to be always the same.. nobody is going to pay 80%+ the price of a normal pinball machine for a neutered version.
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They should be able to redo the classics, such as Space Invaders, Xenon, Flash Gordon and others for $2500, granted not exact replica's, but decent full blown home versions.
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I think once they set the bar high for the non home versions and it worked it won’t ever go back down. They also must think they can’t sell enough volume at a lower price point to make a go of it. Maybe they get joe six pack to see how much better a non home version is a few jump in and get a 6-7k one?
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They should be able to redo the classics, such as Space Invaders, Xenon, Flash Gordon and others for $2500, granted not exact replica's, but decent full blown home versions.
I'm not sure $2500 nib can still exist with the present distributors margin and shipping costs. But a 3K+ NIB Fathom or Centaur would be a no brainer for most of collectors.
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Geeze, I have read a few things here or there about oddball games at costco or some other place but I never paid any attention to it. These things are stupid.
chance of me paying 3 or 4 grand for something like that are about as high as me and Art watching the scientology channel!
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Not that I blame them, people pay it (myself included) they will keep pricing them that way.
I still don't understand why they keep trying to go after this mythical Joe Sixpack market. It seems like every 3-5 years they give it a go.. but the answer seems to be always the same.. nobody is going to pay 80%+ the price of a normal pinball machine for a neutered version.
well you just said it yourself.. people keep buying them price increases or not. :P
Pinball has gotten crazy popular over the last few years and they are cashing in. They are a business not a charity I dont blame then at all for shooting for the moon on prices.
While i cant figure it out for the life of me there must be something working for them on these stripped down models.
They keep doing it which tells me it works for them on some level, they must sell otherwise they would have tried once and gave up.
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While i cant figure it out for the life of me there must be something working for them on these stripped down models.
They keep doing it which tells me it works for them on some level, they must sell otherwise they would have tried once and gave up.
I'm assuming the margins are a lot better?
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Are these stripped down models working though?
Each time they release 1 or maybe 2 tops then you don't hear about them again for years and years.
It seems more like they are testing the waters every few years to see if anything has changed.
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This pin isn't for anyone on this board, but there is a market.
I had a friend looking for a Spider-Man pin for his son and had a $3,000 budget. I was able to get him a used home version and his son is having a blast. The only repair needed to date was a flipper return spring. $4,500 NIB is a little much, though.
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I am serious. The first mod should be a thin LCD screen that replaces the translite. We know it's Star Wars. Let's make those video clips pop! (I think they did a great job with the videos and everything here. The game itself looks fun and challenging.)
That's a fantastic idea, might as well make the whole back box a video screen and they could use clips from the movies for applicable pins, and make animated scenes for other pinball machines that take up the whole screen instead of Simply a small score panel
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That's a fantastic idea, might as well make the whole back box a video screen and they could use clips from the movies for applicable pins, and make animated scenes for other pinball machines that take up the whole screen instead of simply a small score panel...
and then compete with yellow brick road wizard MSRP at $12,500. ;D
please, people...do not give stern any more ideas. :) when stern's cost more money, EVERYTHING from the past costs more money.