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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2017, 02:23:17 PM »
crap. does this mean trump is going to deport my Arabian Nights and my Cue Ball Wizard (you know that Mexican cowboy is not legally here). :-X
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2017, 10:56:59 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmm



LOS ANGELES (KABC) --
Sunday will mark 75 years since the signing of a presidential executive order that sent nearly 120,000 innocent Japanese Americans to internment camps.

Executive Order 9066 was signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on Feb. 19, 1942, and showed an incredible display of a president's power.

"Roosevelt with a stroke of the pen, with his signature, changed the history of a people in the United States, most of whom were citizens, forever," Jennifer Jones with the Smithsonian Institution said.

It was an executive order that, to borrow a line from Roosevelt himself, "will live in infamy." The anniversary of its signing is now referred to as the Day of Remembrance.

With the current political climate, many famous Americans who have a deep understanding of Executive Order 9066 are explaining why it should never be forgotten.

"This country was swept up in war hysteria and racism. And we were seen as equal to the enemy just because of our face," said actor George Takei, who was 5 years old at the time.

Even though there wasn't a single act of espionage, thousands were rounded up. Many were taken by truck first to the Santa Anita Racetrack in Arcadia and forced to sleep in horse stalls.

"Each family was assigned a horse stall to sleep in," Takei recalled. "For my parents, they told me later, it was a degrading, humiliating thing to be told to sleep in that horse stall. It still stank of horse manure."

"My mom would tell about living in horse stalls that had been cleaned out, but you could still tell that obviously it was a horse stall," explained Judge Lance Ito, who presided over the O.J. Simpson murder trial.

Sen. Alan Simpson was 10 years old at the time in Cody, Wyoming, where one of the communities was built. The government called them internment camps, but in reality, they were prisons.

"The thing that made us all concerned was the barbed wire fence and the guard towers and the guards and the guns and the tower. All aimed inside. It wouldn't matter who was out there. That would spook you up," Simpson said.

Former U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta recalled seeing the devastation on his father's face.

"As the train was pulling out of San Jose, I looked around and looked at my dad and all these tears were coming down," Mineta shared.

Both strong and resilient, many adjusted to their situation, no matter how demeaning the circumstances may have been.

"I adjusted to living in imprisonment. It became normal for me to go to school in a black tar paper barrack and begin the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag. I could see the barbed wire fence and the sentry towers right outside my schoolhouse window as I recited the words 'with liberty and justice for all,' too young to really feel the stinging irony of those words," Takei said.

"The fact that you could take a whole group of people identified only by national origin, order them from their homes and hold them in a very desolate place for an indefinite period of time, is a violation of due process of law. It's a violation of your right to have a trial. It's a violation of so much of our constitution," Ito said. "And somebody needs to stand up when those rights are violated."

In 1988, the U.S. government admitted that serious injustices were done to Japanese Americans during World War II.

A special commission called it the result of "race prejudice, war hysteria and a failure of political leadership."

"Out of this tragedy comes this great lesson, and to me, when I think of that legislation and it says, 'And on behalf of the American people, the Congress apologizes to those of Japanese ancestry for the gross violation of their constitutional rights,'" Mineta said while holding back tears.

"Hate, there was hate here," Simpson said. "And hatred corrodes the container it's carried in."

That hate and imprisonment would have a lasting impact on the Japanese American community.

"It changed how they thought of themselves, not just as Americans, but now isolated as looking like the enemy as being Japanese, and yet it also moved them to make sure that this never happened again to another minority group in the United States," Jones said.

Most of the families forced into the camps lost everything, including their homes, jobs and possessions. Even after the war ended, it took many Japanese Americans more than a generation to earn it back.
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2017, 11:23:18 AM »
Sunday will mark 75 years since the signing of a presidential executive order that sent nearly 120,000 innocent Japanese Americans to internment camps.

Executive Order 9066 was signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on Feb. 19, 1942, and showed an incredible display of a president's power.

"Roosevelt with a stroke of the pen, with his signature, changed the history of a people in the United States, most of whom were citizens, forever," Jennifer Jones with the Smithsonian Institution said.

It was an executive order that, to borrow a line from Roosevelt himself, "will live in infamy." The anniversary of its signing is now referred to as the Day of Remembrance.

What sort of sick, sad individual could ever bring themselves to even consider voting for a candidate of the party of the president who signed that order...?  ???
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2017, 12:40:08 AM »
George W Bush had some interesting things to say about the Muslim ban (posted parts of the article in the Press topic as well)

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Bush, who was president at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, also pushed back at the Trump administration's controversial attempt to halt migrants from seven mostly-Muslim countries from coming to the U.S.

"I think it's very important, for all of us, to recognize one our great strengths is for people to worship the way they want to or not worship at all," he said. "I mean the bedrock of our freedom-a bedrock of our freedom is the right to worship freely."

Asked point blank if he favored a Muslim ban, Bush said "I am for an immigration policy that's welcoming and upholds the law."

Bush won worldwide praise in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks for stressing that the teachings of Islam are "good and peaceful."

"This was an ideological conflict and people who murder the innocent are not religious people," he said. "They want to advance an ideology and we have faced those kind of ideologies in the past."

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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2017, 06:48:20 AM »
George W Bush had some interesting things to say about the Muslim ban (posted parts of the article in the Press topic as well)

Why should we listen to him when everything bad that happened in the last eight years was his fault...?  ???
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2017, 07:36:42 AM »
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Why should we listen to him when everything bad that happened in the last eight years was his fault...
C'mon now.  You know that's not true.  Everything bad that has happened was because of Hillary's emails.  Did you see that crazy face she made when she sipped that coffee!  :o
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2017, 07:39:53 AM »
C'mon now.  You know that's not true.  Everything bad that has happened was because of Hillary's emails.  Did you see that crazy face she made when she sipped that coffee!  :o

Who ever said that? I'm just going by what Obama said numerous times...
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2017, 02:42:23 PM »
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Who ever said that?
Every person that voted for Trump.  Hillary's emails are the downfall of the civilized world.  Chant after me, "Lock Her Up.  Lock Her Up."
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2017, 06:18:03 PM »
Every person that voted for Trump.

That sounds like a generalization.  :o
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2017, 08:37:41 PM »
More of a stereotype :)
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2017, 09:16:56 PM »
Why should we listen to him when everything bad that happened in the last eight years was his fault...?  ???

Generalizations, generalizations.  :) 

Bush's interview was like a breath of fresh air... spoken like a man with experience and the country's best interests in mind.  Even with the black marks on his foreign policy, I was far more comfortable with Bush as President than I am with Trump's "leadership" at this point.
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Re: Immigration ban and backlash
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2017, 01:14:33 AM »
I suppose it's worth mentioning that there is a revised travel ban.  It excludes Iraq this time for several reasons, eliminates the minority religion clause that made it obviously a ban on a religion, excludes green card holders and those with visas. 

Ultimately it seems this may help it stand up in court, but as I've outlined in detail, there is no actual evidence that this will make America safer considering most terrorist crimes on U.S. soil are performed by U.S. citizens. 
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