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Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« on: October 15, 2019, 04:09:31 PM »
So theres been a plot leak for Rise of Skywalker. It seems legit as everything jibes with the other leaks of recent some of which have been verified.

I don't envy the writers, they came into the last episode in a trilogy at a dead stop with nothing to build on. That sucks. But you know, Disney greenlit Last Jedi so that's completely on them.

Here's a few key plot points and why they don't work..

Palpatine survived Return of the Jedi - No time travel involved he just survived. This is stupid because you can't undermine your previous films this way without harming your story. That's why Alien3 wasn't satisfying.. we spent too much time saving Newt to kill her off so brazenly. Defeating Palpatine and the Empire was one of the major focal points of the original trilogy.. what was the point now? The other focus was on the redemption of Vader which culminated in him sacrificing himself to defeat the Emperor.. now for what? Obviously they are doing this because they need a villain and Johnson blew off Snoke but this just isn't going to work in a satisfying way. The fan theory that Snoke was Darth Plagueis and was just going to come back to life made more sense.

Rey is Palpatines Granddaughter - Also a reach and with 0 build-up comes out of left-field. Its the only thing they could think of to resolve the Rey parentage mystery box and tie in with the new plot but this just doesn't really work.

Kylo Ren is redeemed - I guess Han Solo comes back as a Force Ghost to make it OK, but that doesn't really make sense. Kylo Ren has done to much evil shit to be redeemed so once again this isn't going to work.

Rey Can now 'Force Heal' and Star Destroyers can blow up planets like the Death Star - This is all stupid.

Lando had a daughter that was captured by the First Order like Finn, turns out its the black chick in the trailers - How fucking convenient. Also if the First Order was stealing peoples kids for the last 20 years makes you wonder why nobody did anything about them. Stupid.

I don't think it's going to be Last Jedi bad but this is going to be more akin to Star Trek Into Darkness. Ie a bunch of ideas that sound good on the surface but just don't work for various reasons (many involving logic).

Think i'm going to skip this one, at least in the theater. I'm curious to see how bad its actually going to be.. or really how lame.. but like Dark Phoenix i think i'll wait for Redbox.


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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 04:42:46 PM »
Yeah, I'll see it, but I'm not going to the theater unless it's a social thing. Go see the train-wreck, maybe - but not giving them any money is probably a better idea.

>you can't undermine your previous films this way without harming your story

Yup, it's pretty much "Remember all the celebration at the end of episodes 4 & 6? Turns out the rebels didn't actually win, they failed completely, the Empire never really went away it just became the First Order almost immediately and they were firmly in charge of the galaxy this whole time, and just as bad if not worse than the Empire ever was." Ugh.

It's not like there weren't options; "In the power-vacuum left by the destruction of the Empire the galaxy has become far more lawless, the Hutts with their criminal empire moved quickly to fill this void, and many former Empire ships have turned to piracy in order to survive..." - there's your new baddies. There were literally hundreds of other options too.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 12:39:32 PM »
Yeah no they completely fucked up. Obviously going in they needed to first have a rough outline for their entire trilogy.. And they needed to make sure the story fit in with the existing movies. Not really that hard if you think about it and mostly common sense but somehow a multi billion dollar investment pushed forward with neither.

And yes they had all sorts of options. They could have inverted star wars and made the first order like the resistance and maybe make the Republic sympathetic but not perfect. Plenty of real world examples of that (ie the US) but they decided to play it safe and do a remake then go the opposite and throw everything in a fire. Makes no sense.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 04:45:40 PM »
After the battle of Endor, a group of Ewoks manages to get control of a Star Destroyer. They are now the terror of the galaxy.

I'd genuinely like to see an evil Wookie too; would make a good bad-guy.


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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2019, 01:21:09 PM »
I feel like Picard in that torture episode... “I see 3 Star Wars Movies!”

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2019, 01:46:42 PM »
I feel like Picard in that torture episode... “I see 3 Star Wars Movies!”

Wait until they fuck up Picard in a few months :P

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2019, 11:59:05 PM »
From the most recent trailers it looks like those plot points are going to be pretty spot-on.

What a fucking mess.

Reviews of "The Mandalorian" TV show are good so far, but the problem there is filler. They've got way more time to kill in a series than in a movie, and a lower budget to do it with (even if "lower" is still incredibly high by TV standards in this case).

Oh well, to hell with all of it, they broke it well beyond repair.

I'll still check out random Star Wars crap hoping for another bright spot like Rogue One, but I don't plan to give them another dime.


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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 11:41:32 AM »
Maybe we should all say f**kit and go to NJ and have a 4lb Taco.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 11:06:21 PM »
From the most recent trailers it looks like those plot points are going to be pretty spot-on.

What a fucking mess.

Reviews of "The Mandalorian" TV show are good so far, but the problem there is filler. They've got way more time to kill in a series than in a movie, and a lower budget to do it with (even if "lower" is still incredibly high by TV standards in this case).

Oh well, to hell with all of it, they broke it well beyond repair.

I'll still check out random Star Wars crap hoping for another bright spot like Rogue One, but I don't plan to give them another dime.

Yeah it does appear the plot leaks are correct.

I just don't see this movie as being that satisfying. Once again they probably have almost no chance of actually making something good out of the mess they are in.. but basically they are changing the entire series to be focused on Palpatine and not Anakin Skywalker and they are doing with absolutely no build-up. How is that going to work? Not well.

Then there's other stuff like Hux being a rebel double-agent. They probably think it's a good twist but when it's so far out of left field it just comes off as desperate. Ditto with trying to tug at heart strings by "killing" Chewbacca and C-3PO only to swerve and reveal they are OK. It's like they are trying every trick in the book to make you emotionally attached to this film but it ain't working.. not for me. Maybe Joe Sixpack will be swayed? If he even goes? (Hamster you bought tickets yet? :P)

But yeah I'm in the same boat. I'm going to take Disney Star Wars on a case by case basis moving forward. Hopefully some of the TV shows are better.. but it really does feel like Star Wars is super shallow and not really as interesting as we all thought after all.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 11:06:57 PM »
Maybe we should all say fuckit and go to NJ and have a 4lb Taco.



Only if it comes with it's own carrying case.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 11:15:27 PM »


Only if it comes with it's own carrying case.

WTH? That looks like an abortion in a bag. I'll go with the one Hamster posted.

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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 11:22:00 PM »
but it really does feel like Star Wars is super shallow and not really as interesting as we all thought after all.

It is now, for sure, but the original trilogy was extremely re-watchable, which is what made it have such lasting appeal in the first place.

There were so many details in the background, things that weren't explained; but the newer movies addressed none of that.

Just Droids alone could have spawned lots of interesting material based on the original trilogy.

It seems like Droids are basically slaves - they come out of the factory pretty much willing to do whatever they were built for, but leave them long enough and they develop sentience, and a personality and their own options on things - which leads to things like "restraining bolts", and having thier memories wiped when they become troublesome.

I always found that to be an interesting, and realistic aspect of the movies. People would treat them like property, because hey, they did build them, buy them, etc. - but at the same time they were actually "alive" in at least some sense, and thinking beings.

It was also implied that C3PO had been memory-wiped multiple times over the years, but R2D2 had managed to avoid that.

Then there are other questions like, why not Droid pilots? Why not Droid armies? They addressed that in the prequels, but not in a satisfying or sensible way. It seemed to come down to "We used to use them for that, but they sucked against Jedi" - but then in a world with no Jedi... Huh? By the time "A New Hope" comes around, clearly no one is afraid of Droids in the least, they wander through the middle of battles and no one looks at them twice, they represent zero threat.

Really just a ton of potentially interesting stuff to explore there and instead we got this hot garbage.



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Re: Star Wars 9 Plot leaked [Spoilers]
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2019, 12:33:56 AM »
It's definitely possible to write additional Star Wars that's interesting but it's not easy. You can't just copy/paste the previous films and have it work because there's not a lot there beyond the somewhat simplistic plot. A lot of the greatness of the original films is they were new and fresh at the time (even if Lucas got 'inspiration' from existing stories.. his space opera spin was new) and of course the actors were all great and the production was extremely talented all around.

These new films are just trying to emulate that without the wisdom to understand why they were great nor the talent to come up with something equally as great in the same universe.

So what do we get? Stars, Wars, Space Wizards.. and that's about it.

As for the logistics you could go on for hours on that.. the droid aspect certainly makes no sense but its something i guess you can just ignore.